Austria: Government Seeks to Eliminate Internet Anonymity – With Severe Penalties

[Ragedaug]

Fascism is a extreme nationalist idealogy, which makes it far right. This aint rocket science.

That's a nice loop you are stuck in. Fascism is Right Wing because Right Wing are fascist. Makes it easy to define things that way so you don't have to actually deal with definitions and reality.

Your defintion of right-wing only gets used in the US... by people on the right.

So you don't think people should have the right to define themselves? Sounds a little fascist to me.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Dude, educate yourself.

Yeah, it's not a wing.

[beanman12345]

Yeah, it's not a wing.

So yours is the stupid that can't be fixed, got it.

[JohnBrown1917]

That's a nice loop you are stuck in. Fascism is Right Wing because Right Wing are fascist. Makes it easy to define things that way so you don't have to actually deal with definitions and reality.

If you actually bothered to read my post, you would understand I said that fascism was an extreme nationalist [race-based] idealogy. You know where those idealogies sit on the spectrum? You know why?

by your defintion far left anarcho-communists are far right lol

So you don't think people should have the right to define themselves? Sounds a little fascist to me.

You have no idea what fascism is, I see.

Yeah, it's not a wing.

No idealogy defines a wing, its on the far right of the spectrum lol. If you want to know why, its not that hard/ Fascism puts a lot of importance on a strong hierachy, which one of the oldest defintion of the left-right spectrum(no hierachy vs a very defined one). Not to mention how it puts certain ethnicities/races above others.

[SoundOfGuns]

Fascism isn't a wing, but it is more often found on the Left. Most "Right" wing definitions include smaller government and more individual liberty which is in direct contradiction to Fascism.

Im sorry that you dropped out of grade school, but political definitions can still be easily checked on Wikipedia or your local library. The sources for education are vast and rich. A help to guide you along the way tho; If your source is weirdly fine with the Nazis - like for example explaining that Adolf Hitler simply fought the "globalists" instead of murdering millions based on religious or race-driven believes, is generally holding a positive connection with the believes of white man with wide robed people or believes that somehow somewhere the white race is erased by... ...people with a slightly darker skin tone you went to far right...

It seems you already red a bit to deep into "the horseshit for people that fuck their sister" these people tend to write and read (as they are evidently the target audience) so i suggest to turn back.

[Ragedaug]

If you actually bothered to read my post, you would understand I said that fascism was an extreme nationalist [race-based] idealogy. You know where those idealogies sit on the spectrum? You know why?

by your defintion far left anarcho-communists are far right lol


You have no idea what fascism is, I see.



No idealogy defines a wing, its on the far right of the spectrum lol. If you want to know why, its not that hard/ Fascism puts a lot of importance on a strong hierachy, which one of the oldest defintion of the left-right spectrum(no hierachy vs a very defined one). Not to mention how it puts certain ethnicities/races above others.

LOL. Right Wing = smaller government. Extreme Right Wing = Anarchy...not more powerful government. When you remove all definitions from words (like you are trying to do) you make them all meaningless.

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Im sorry that you dropped out of grade school

Ahh, personal attacks and insults in a discussion forum. Does that mean you automatically win?

[JohnBrown1917]

LOL. Right Wing = smaller government. Extreme Right Wing = Anarchy...not more powerful government. When you remove all definitions from words (like you are trying to do) you make them all meaningless.

Yeah, this is pointless if you're just going to make up your own defintions. You should ask an anarcho-communist if they see themselves as right-wing. Or you know.. just pretty much any anarchist.

[SoundOfGuns]

So you don't think people should have the right to define themselves? Sounds a little fascist to me.

...can you at least try to use the overused straw men-arguments correctly? The far-right and republican 'muricans as a whole became so creative in lying and disbanding truth and reality. Pick something better then this thing. Especially if you are not sure what fascism is...

[Ragedaug]

Yeah, this is pointless if you're just going to make up your own defintions. You should ask an anarcho-communist if they see themselves as right-wing. Or you know.. just pretty much any anarchist.

I'm using the actual definitons.

Right Wing = smaller government. The extreme of that would be no government, which is known as anarchy or anarcho-communist.

If you are using another definition of Right Wing, I'm fine with that. Just realize you are talking about something completely different than I'm talking about, which is why I pointed out it's absurd for us, in a global forum with different definitions of "Right" and "Left" wing, to be using those labels.

[SoundOfGuns]

Ahh, personal attacks and insults in a discussion forum. Does that mean you automatically win?

No, it means im having fun. "You people" refuse to listen to logic and make up definitions and realities as you please for the sake of winning in your own, limited mind. And as such i don't feel obligated to treat you like someone worth seriously arguing with, but like the worst kind of idiot i can possibly find. You want to be treated with respect? Respect facts and reality and the rules of argumentation... Making up your own world as you go to defend the warped propaganda your political party is spouting spits in the face of everyone else to begin with.

[Ragedaug]

...can you at least try to use the overused straw men-arguments correctly? The far-right and republican 'muricans as a whole became so creative in lying and disbanding truth and reality. Pick something better then this thing. Especially if you are not sure what fascism is...

Dude, all you are doing is insulting. You are making no actual counters to my arguments.

[SoundOfGuns]

Dude, all you are doing is insulting. You are making no actual counters to my arguments.

What arguments are there, then, Ragedaug? You try to tell me and Gilrak up there that we are wrong with something that is so clearly, evidently correct that there are few other things that are easier to proof. You can't even list sources here because its ridiculous. You try to sell us a warped perspective... There is no argument to have. Have a perspective different from ours but have it based on reality... Fascism is a form of far-right extremism. That's the literal definition. And it hasn't changed. Not even in america, even when some people REALLY try to sell that to you... But they also try to tell you the Nazis were socialists because that word was part of the name, ignoring language and context because otherwise the it doesn't spin properly... Come on man.

[Ragedaug]

What arguments are there, then, Ragedaug? You try to tell me and Gilrak up there that we are wrong with something that is so clearly, evidently correct that there are few other things that are easier to proof. You can't even list sources here because its ridiculous. You try to sell us a warped perspective... There is no argument to have. Have a perspective different from ours but have it based on reality... Fascism is a form of far-right extremism. That's the literal definition. And it hasn't changed. Not even in america, even when some people REALLY try to sell that to you... But they also try to tell you the Nazis were socialists because that word was part of the name, ignoring language and context because otherwise the it doesn't spin properly... Come on man.

I made the argument that in the U.S. Right Wing = Smaller Government. Then you insult me. Soooo, not sure what else you want to talk about. Feels like I'm in middle school again trying to have a conversation with you.

[Ealyssa]

authoritarian left wing governments do not care about freedoms

Nice try at narative but still garbage. Current austrian government is a coallition of the right OVP and far-right FPO (freedom party of Austria textually) parties.

[Trassk]

The overwhelming abuse of identity theft and harassment will skyrocket in Austria as a result of this

[PC2]

No, this is not entirely correct. Liberalism is not monolithic, there are important distinctions, like social or classical liberalism. Capitalism with regulated markets and social programs is center-left, but if you allow deregulation to run rampant it goes into "classical" free markets mode, which is quite right wing.

Painting all liberals as right wing like in the post you replied to is quite the smear. I'm starting to dislike these people that generalize wildly more and more each day.

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Very few people actually looked up anarchism as a political concept. Most just assume it's the lack of any order and people just doing whatever they feel like doing.

I know what you're saying. What i'm saying is that the default version of liberalism is classical liberalism. If you specifically say 'social liberalism' then obviously that is not right wing.

[Kataroku]

I believe that the best thing about the internet is that people can truly say what is on their mind; even if it goes against the status quo.

Take that away and you'll be left with what people resort to doing IRL - agreeing with everything, trying to fit in, pretending that everything is okay, being obedient.

I'd much rather be "offended" by what someone - who disagrees with me - says, than not know what their viewpoint is at all.

[Kreo]

I'd say this is perfect opportunity to hold people accountable for what they say online. I hope they will require you to provide your name, home address and hours when you will be at your residence. In case people need to do something like this:

[JohnBrown1917]

Very few people actually looked up anarchism as a political concept. Most just assume it's the lack of any order and people just doing whatever they feel like doing.

Which is why he should probably try to actually ask them.