CoS - World First Thread

[ryjkur]

Limit didn't stream the previous raids. Method had intel thanks to NA streams on irrelevant bosses on Argus/Uldir/BoD. Try again.

But they can just roflstomp those "irrelevant" bosses with NA strats and get a headstart.

[Barzotti]

The problem is that they're still the top dog in single target regardless of there being no pure single target boss, though Grong is pretty close as it's difficult to actually cleave or have sustained multidotting. There's no reason that specs that supposedly "excel" in single target should be losing out in single target, aoe, sustained cleave, sustained aoe, and burst to the several specs that literally have it all.

Lets not even get into how tight the enrage timer is WHILE they're class stacking overpowered classes...

Well, multidot classes are always pretty hard to balance the more gear and the more haste players get. We had the same issue on HFC and Legion (minus the surrender to madness aberration). And the current raids (BoD and CoS) heavily favor multidotters by design: spread out targets, no aoe/heavy cleave fights (except Opulence, but for a brief period of time considering the length of the fight).

But they can just roflstomp those "irrelevant" bosses with NA strats and get a headstart.

Having a headstart while starting 16 hours later? Hmm

[Ashina]

Shadow Priests weren't this popular since EN.

[ryjkur]

Having a headstart while starting 16 hours later? Hmm

Headstart in terms of actual progress time. They don't have to smash their heads to early bosses and fatigue themselves.

Knowing strats > 16 hours headstart
Limit's vs Method's amount of Jaina kills proves this too. Method killed Jaina only 2 times while Limit is killing her with alts as well.

[Barzotti]

Headstart in terms of actual progress time. They don't have to smash their heads to early bosses and fatigue themselves.

Knowing strats > 16 hours headstart
Limit's vs Method's amount of Jaina kills proves this too. Method killed Jaina only 2 times while Limit is killing her with alts as well.

? Limit didn't stream Jaina's progress. Method killed Jaina twice (and streaming it!) before Limit killed ker. Reclears are irrelevant.

And Method has a dozen of SP 410+ geared (more than Limit): they plan their roster/comp/strats way before watching NA streams, even if intel gotten on NA streams can be useful regardless. It's Method we are talking about, a guild that puts an insane amount of time of effort preparing for raids. They could raid tomorrow with 15 well geared SPs.

[Daan]

Class balancing at its best again.

[Ashina]

Headstart in terms of actual progress time. They don't have to smash their heads to early bosses and fatigue themselves.

Knowing strats > 16 hours headstart
Limit's vs Method's amount of Jaina kills proves this too. Method killed Jaina only 2 times while Limit is killing her with alts as well.

Bozzel already established long ago that EU kills don't count for WF progress.

[Mamut]

Tactic for CoS, fill the rooster with shadow priests. This looks just hilarious at this point.

[ryjkur]

Tactic for CoS, fill the rooster with shadow priests. This looks just hilarious at this point.

Idk man, both BDG and WCG are far ahead in progress compared to Limit even tho BDG has 3 and WCG only 1 spriest.

[Cracked]

Idk man, both BDG and WCG are far ahead in progress compared to Limit even tho BDG has 3 and WCG only 1 spriest.

Limit is really playing it like mongols, instead of playing it somewhat safe and then seeing where the places they can use the debuffs well are, they go balls to the wall maximize debuff usage and proceed to wipe to stupid shit for 5 hours.

[bullseyed]

The problem is that they're still the top dog in single target regardless of there being no pure single target boss, though Grong is pretty close as it's difficult to actually cleave or have sustained multidotting. There's no reason that specs that supposedly "excel" in single target should be losing out in single target, aoe, sustained cleave, sustained aoe, and burst to the several specs that literally have it all.

Lets not even get into how tight the enrage timer is WHILE they're class stacking overpowered classes...

This. If I'm an Arms warrior, SV hunter or Enh shaman ignoring adds on Grong and we just DPS until we wipe to tantrum, I should win 99.9% of the time. You'll actually win none of the time, unless the Shadow priest or warlock mess up.

[Kallisto]

Class balancing at its best again.

You can't go by class balance on what the world first group are doing. If there is a spec that does 0.5% more than others the world first group will put as many on that spec as possible to get any advantage they can.

[bullseyed]

Well, multidot classes are always pretty hard to balance the more gear and the more haste players get. We had the same issue on HFC and Legion (minus the surrender to madness aberration). And the current raids (BoD and CoS) heavily favor multidotters by design: spread out targets, no aoe/heavy cleave fights (except Opulence, but for a brief period of time considering the length of the fight).

Maybe they should go back to the glory days of WoW where haste didn't affect DoTs and was useless to DoT classes. Sounds like that would completely solve the issue.

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Shadow Priests weren't this popular since EN.

Don't forget about Zul.

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Tactic for CoS, fill the rooster with shadow priests. This looks just hilarious at this point.

Fill roster with Shadow Priests doing 50k DPS, and STILL wipe to enrage timer.

[Poe]

Don't forget about Zul..

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I think you're thinking of sub rogues.

[bullseyed]

????

I think you're thinking of sub rogues.

When did they give sub rogues mass dispel? (Other than blood elf)

[Tehterokkar]

When did they give sub rogues mass dispel? (Other than blood elf)

You needed 2 Priests, not just Shadow.

[Makabreska]

You needed 2 Priests, not just Shadow.

Or just blood elves, or just single target dispell. Having priests was mainly a convenience. Sub rogues was what carried the fight.

[Barzotti]

When did they give sub rogues mass dispel? (Other than blood elf)

Method killed Zul with a grand total of... 1 SP. And mass dispel has a 45 seconds cd.

[Poe]

When did they give sub rogues mass dispel? (Other than blood elf)

I'm still missing the part where you needed shadow priest for Zul.

[precious]

Hence the fact that 99% of rogues are belf