Greater Pyro Blast

[Evilfish]

It's shit to be honest. There's no way you can cast that spell with a melee on you. A decent melee class will keep you silenced and forced to move, so you will rely on insta casts or move casts. If you want to talk about fucked up shit, then talk about paladins having 3 lives.

[Beatman]

It's shit to be honest. There's no way you can cast that spell with a melee on you. A decent melee class will keep you silenced and forced to move, so you will rely on insta casts or move casts. If you want to talk about fucked up shit, then talk about paladins having 3 lives.

Ever heard of Sheep, RoF, Frost Nova, Dragon's Breath? Greater Pyro only works because mages have the CC capabilities to make a long hardcast work.

[XMD7007]

Mages are well represented in 3s, though they could use a buff for 2s.

[wowtaiwan]

Ever heard of Sheep, RoF, Frost Nova, Dragon's Breath? Greater Pyro only works because mages have the CC capabilities to make a long hardcast work.

You're a bit wrong, all skills you stated does not have slow down effect, however, if you face a melee class, you wouldn't be able to cast greater pyro.
Remember that melee classes have skills that slow down 70% walking speed or 50% at least but fire mage only have a skill (without talent) that slows down 20%

[quite an expert in wow]

by the time pyroblast is casted you're already in another arena map
maybe just los it?

[Kralljin]

by the time pyroblast is casted you're already in another arena map
maybe just los it?

Basically any Fire Mage uses Shimmer, with well placed Shimmer(s), you can also reach people that are behind a pillar.

[Noxina]

Basically any Fire Mage uses Shimmer, with well placed Shimmer(s), you can also reach people that are behind a pillar.

Wich in turn would place them in a really bad position if they don't have a stack of Shimmer to get away again.

Everything got counters, if you let a Fire Mage free cast Gpyros he will ofc do a ton of damage. It's a reason the game is balanced around 3v3.

[Kralljin]

Wich in turn would place them in a really bad position if they don't have a stack of Shimmer to get away again.

Everything got counters, if you let a Fire Mage free cast Gpyros he will ofc do a ton of damage. It's a reason the game is balanced around 3v3.

Absolutely, but doesn't mean that LoS is necessarily a solution in this case.

[docterfreeze]

High rated mages are using it with success in arenas. If gladiator+ players can't stop it all the time in arena, then these "just xyz it" posts are irrelevant.

Regardless of its balance, % health abilities need to fuck off back to MOBAs. They are so counter intuitive in an RPG.

[Kralljin]

Regardless of its balance, % health abilities need to fuck off back to MOBAs. They are so counter intuitive in an RPG.

In a game where 80% of all characters at equal gear have nearly equal healthpools, Armor mostly being a Transmog limitation for non Tank specs, Classes that clearly should not have access to self healing do in fact have self healing and top of that your damage being secretly up / down scaled depending on your and your opponents gear - those abilities rank rather low in there regarding the "RPG feeling".

It's just a fancy way of saying "doesn't crit, doesn't scale with haste" to me.

[Noxina]

Absolutely, but doesn't mean that LoS is necessarily a solution in this case.

LoS is the solution in a lot of cases vs casters. Sure the mage can get of a Gpyro using this technique, but he is better off using his spare Shimmer stack to get off a Poly, combined with a Combustion burst on the kill target, which will resault in a lot more damage done than a 30% HP spell.


But every scenario got their solution, sometimes eating a Gpyro can be benefitial, if it means you in turn get off a CC chain on a target, for instance.

[docterfreeze]

In a game where 80% of all characters at equal gear have nearly equal healthpools, Armor mostly being a Transmog limitation for non Tank specs, Classes that clearly should not have access to self healing do in fact have self healing and top of that your damage being secretly up / down scaled depending on your and your opponents gear - those abilities rank rather low in there regarding the "RPG feeling".

It's just a fancy way of saying "doesn't crit, doesn't scale with haste" to me.

I don't think that the game rapidly trimming its RPG elements is an excuse to trim even more. It should be something they try to reverse. An ability that always does the same % of damage no matter your level or your gear is anti progression.

[quite an expert in wow]

Basically any Fire Mage uses Shimmer, with well placed Shimmer(s), you can also reach people that are behind a pillar.

and they have to start casting again

[Kralljin]

I don't think that the game rapidly trimming its RPG elements is an excuse to trim even more.

The point is that it's just another thing in a long line of removed RPG aspects.

An ability that always does the same % of damage no matter your level or your gear is anti progression.

That's just so damn irrelevant because gearing itself has been hollowed out as a progression system.
Especially in PvP thanks to scaling.

and they have to start casting again

Shimmer can be casted while casting other spells, so if you're still LoS once a mage uses Shimmer, the Mage fucked up its Shimmer.

[wowtaiwan]

Why do you need a slow? Hit them with hard cast pyro through a hard CC.

But after the cc's gone, they'll be able to slow you down again and perform melee attack again.
I'm not saying fire mage's cc is not enough, pyro is not that easy to cast if 1 v 1, pyro is great when doing group pvp and no one's watching you.

[Dyeline]

I'm okay with GPY, what always grinds my gears playing against mage is this absolutely disgusting blink-while-casting talent. Takes a lot of counterplay out of the players hands.

[TriHard]

Anyone who whines about this spell is a little crybaby. It's balanced, it has a huge cast time and animation for a reason.
It's the easiest spell in the game to shutdown

[Pentai]

Anyone who whines about this spell is a little crybaby. It's balanced, it has a huge cast time and animation for a reason.
It's the easiest spell in the game to shutdown

No it's not because of the sheeps, DB's, rings of frost, novas and blinks, you need to completely shutdown the mage to stop the spell, you can't judge it in a vacuum. It's terribly easy to cast in bg's and very challenging to shut-down even at the highest level of arenas.

[Druitz]

No it's not because of the sheeps, DB's, rings of frost, novas and blinks, you need to completely shutdown the mage to stop the spell, you can't judge it in a vacuum. It's terribly easy to cast in bg's and very challenging to shut-down even at the highest level of arenas.

It isn't very challenging to shut-down in rated arenas. Most time mage is unable to cast greater pyro. There is a reason why people play rmpala with fire. You got kidney on kill target, poly on healer and pala stun on second target so mage can free cast greater pyro.

This is very situational spell, casted only few times during arena so yes it hurts if it hits someone but we can't say that it's hard to stop mage from casting it

[kaid]

Basically any Fire Mage uses Shimmer, with well placed Shimmer(s), you can also reach people that are behind a pillar.

Yup when they come to kick you shimmer and they miss and your cast is still going. I kinda screw up though during the blinks sometimes and break LOS. I am not a great fire mage though but shimmer is a great too for greater pyro.