France marks first national commemoration of Armenian genocide

[Stelio Kontos]

https://www.france24.com/en/20190424...enian-genocide

France is marking its first "national day of commemoration of the Armenian genocide" on Wednesday, fulfilling a pledge by President Emmanuel Macron that has angered the Turkish government.

Macron announced the commemoration at a meeting with representatives of the country’s large Armenian community in February, honouring a promise made during his 2017 presidential campaign.

"France is, first and foremost, the country that knows how to look history in the face,” he said at the time, noting that France was among the first countries to denounce the World War I slaughter of Armenians by their Ottoman rulers.

France’s recognition of the massacre as a genocide was enshrined in law in 2001, following a lengthy struggle that has strained relations with Turkey.

For decades, Armenia and Turkey have been at odds over whether the World War I killings and deportations – which Armenia says left 1.5 million dead – should be described as genocide.

Turkey accepts that many Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were killed but denies that the killings were systematically orchestrated and constitute a genocide.

Macron’s announcement in February drew an angry response from Ankara, with a spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan declaring: “No one can sully our history.”

Earlier this month, Turkey also chastised the Italian parliament for approving a motion to officially recognise the killings as genocide.

Armenians commemorate the massacres on April 24 – the day in 1915 when thousands of Armenian intellectuals suspected of harbouring nationalist sentiment and being hostile to Ottoman rule were rounded up.

If only the US federal government would recognize the Armenian Genocide. 49 out of 50 states recognize it, yet the federal government continues with its policy of not wanting to anger men like Erdogan.

[Nirn]

This is indeed good news, although it will have zero impact upon the people of Turkey and their perception of their history. Unless you force a people to recognize their abominable acts, like the US and the Soviets did to Germans, nations rarely reflect on their more negative actions throughout history.

[Dracullus]

It's good that western countries like France recognize that Holocaust wasn't only genocide worth mentioning and teached about in history classes.

Although it's very convenient for France to talk about crimes of rather unfriendly country on other side of Europe instead of genoside committed by their very close neighbour (hint: it's not about Germany) and their own part in Holocaust (France police helping to target and deport Jews).

[Logwyn]

It's good that western countries like France recognize that Holocaust wasn't only genocide worth mentioning and teached about in history classes.

Although it's very convenient for France to talk about crimes of rather unfriendly country on other side of Europe instead of genoside committed by their very close neighbour (hint: it's not about Germany) and their own part in Holocaust (France police helping to target and deport Jews).

The West only cares about genocide when its Westerns on Westerns. Rwanda was ignored.

[Cruor]

Who cares unless they actually do something about it? The Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) should have been pushed out of Europe when they got weak in the 1800s. I can't believe they still hold Constatinople and no European
power has taken it back. Acknowledging things and shaking fists at each other does nothing.

[tumppu]

If only the US federal government would recognize the Armenian Genocide. 49 out of 50 states recognize it, yet the federal government continues with its policy of not wanting to anger men like Erdogan.

As long as you have a person in power, who likes people like putin, kim and xinping, you're not gonna get any movement against erdogan either. And recognising the armenian genocide would be a move against him because he's basically a tyrant who above everything tries to paint turkey as a great power, devoid of faults. Which is like trying to claim water is not wet, earth is flat and the sun is just orbiting us, all simultaneously.

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The West only cares about genocide when its Westerns on Westerns. Rwanda was ignored.

As a result of that particular genocide, "nations collaborated to establish the International Criminal Court". Unfortunately, several major players act like this should not concern them, including the us, china, russia, india etc...

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Who cares unless they actually do something about it? The Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) should have been pushed out of Europe when they got weak in the 1800s. I can't believe they still hold Constatinople and no European
power has taken it back. Acknowledging things and shaking fists at each other does nothing.

It's amusing. Turkey is the sole foreign power who occupies EU soil currently. Yet germany and the goonies act like turkey is a friend. They have never been.

[Tabrotar]

https://www.france24.com/en/20190424...enian-genocide

France is marking its first "national day of commemoration of the Armenian genocide" on Wednesday, fulfilling a pledge by President Emmanuel Macron that has angered the Turkish government.

Macron announced the commemoration at a meeting with representatives of the country’s large Armenian community in February, honouring a promise made during his 2017 presidential campaign.

"France is, first and foremost, the country that knows how to look history in the face,” he said at the time, noting that France was among the first countries to denounce the World War I slaughter of Armenians by their Ottoman rulers.

France’s recognition of the massacre as a genocide was enshrined in law in 2001, following a lengthy struggle that has strained relations with Turkey.

For decades, Armenia and Turkey have been at odds over whether the World War I killings and deportations – which Armenia says left 1.5 million dead – should be described as genocide.

Turkey accepts that many Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire were killed but denies that the killings were systematically orchestrated and constitute a genocide.

Macron’s announcement in February drew an angry response from Ankara, with a spokesman for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan declaring: “No one can sully our history.”

Earlier this month, Turkey also chastised the Italian parliament for approving a motion to officially recognise the killings as genocide.

Armenians commemorate the massacres on April 24 – the day in 1915 when thousands of Armenian intellectuals suspected of harbouring nationalist sentiment and being hostile to Ottoman rule were rounded up.

If only the US federal government would recognize the Armenian Genocide. 49 out of 50 states recognize it, yet the federal government continues with its policy of not wanting to anger men like Erdogan.

Germany already has done something similar aka recognice the ganocide as a genocide and ofc Turkey had similar reactions...

[Stelio Kontos]

As long as you have a person in power, who likes people like putin, kim and xinping, you're not gonna get any movement against erdogan either. And recognising the armenian genocide would be a move against him because he's basically a tyrant who above everything tries to paint turkey as a great power, devoid of faults. Which is like trying to claim water is not wet, earth is flat and the sun is just orbiting us, all simultaneously.

This is not a recent issue with the US. Only one president that I know of in living memory even used the term 'genocide' in regards to what happened to the Armenians, and that was Reagan. Bush didn't. Clinton didn't. Bush 2.0 didn't. And Obama stopped referring to it as a genocide as soon as he took office. And Trump won't. So this isn't a new problem. Turkey's gotten a pass from the US for decades. Look at the ethnic cleansing in north Cyprus. The US essentially shielded Turkey from any repercussions for that. And that was in the 70s.

[Mihalik]

Turkey can go fudge itself with a Kemal Ataturk themed cucumber.

Grow the fuck up and just admit to your shit and apologize for it, then people might stop poking your eye with it.

[infinit]

Cenk must be fuming

[Kraenen]

How will the Turks in France react?

[OccasionalCortex]

Serious question...
How would the Federal Government recognizing that the event happened help Americans?

[JohnBrown1917]

Serious question...
How would the Federal Government recognizing that the event happened help Americans?

The fuck do Americans have to do with this?

[Logwyn]

As long as you have a person in power, who likes people like putin, kim and xinping, you're not gonna get any movement against erdogan either. And recognising the armenian genocide would be a move against him because he's basically a tyrant who above everything tries to paint turkey as a great power, devoid of faults. Which is like trying to claim water is not wet, earth is flat and the sun is just orbiting us, all simultaneously.

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As a result of that particular genocide, "nations collaborated to establish the International Criminal Court". Unfortunately, several major players act like this should not concern them, including the us, china, russia, india etc...
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And yet it all could have been stopped....

[rowaasr13]

As long as you have a person in power, who likes people like putin

What's your problem with Putin? Does he NOT recognize genocide of Armenians? Or are you just felt like spewing some useless shit.

As a result of that particular genocide, "nations collaborated to establish the International Criminal Court". Unfortunately, several major players act like this should not concern them, including the us, china, russia, india etc...

Russia condemned this as far as in 1905. USSR recognized it too - guess where did SOVIET Armenia was at that time? Memorial that today is considered THE memorial for that genocide was built in USSR Armenia at Yerevan in 1967. "New" post-Soviet Russia reaffirmed it by parliament's declaration in 1995. Russian Orthodox Church acknowledges that genocide and condemns it.

Why all russophobes are always so clueless and ignorant? Or maybe they are russophobes BECAUSE they're clueless and ignorant?

BTW, your sig is both hillariously nazionalistic and stupid. Trying to scare a russian with a cold winter? Phuleeeeeease...

[OccasionalCortex]

The fuck do Americans have to do with this?

That’s something you will have to ask the rest of the posters the keep bringing the US into the mix.
Now about my question...

[JohnBrown1917]

That’s something you will have to ask the rest of the posters the keep bringing the US into the mix.
Now about my question...

Oh, ok. I get it, its just your typical American arrogance.


Whos alt are you?

[OccasionalCortex]

Oh, ok. I get it, its just your typical American arrogance.


Whos alt are you?

New member. MMO-Champion gets them every once in a while, just like every other forum does. Haven’t you ever created a new forum ID before?
Is this how veteran members with over 20,000 posts on this site greets new members? By being rude to them... Anyways back to topic...

My first post in this particular thread was directed towards the people that mentioned the US federal Government. And in particular post #8. Do you have any input on my question? If not, we can leave each other be.

[Gaidax]

Turkey can go fudge itself with a Kemal Ataturk themed cucumber.

Grow the fuck up and just admit to your shit and apologize for it, then people might stop poking your eye with it.

Ataturk is probably turning over in his grave at what is going on in Turkey nowadays. Erdogan is hellbent on destroying everything Ataturk has achieved.

[Kuntantee]

Europeans and American shouldn't be that hasty on pointing fingers when they have multiple genocides and holocausts under their belt, and a thing called "Colonialism", which is the worst type of imperialism this world has ever witnessed.

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Who is Prof. Lewis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Lewis

From the opening paragraph:

Bernard Lewis, FBA (31 May 1916 – 19 May 2018) was a British American historian specializing in oriental studies.[2] He was also known as a public intellectual and political commentator. Lewis was the Cleveland E. Dodge Professor Emeritus of Near Eastern Studies at Princeton University. Lewis' expertise was in the history of Islam and the interaction between Islam and the West. He was also noted in academic circles for his works on the history of the Ottoman Empire.[3]