Diets don't work because they're short term. Eating kale for a week and then going back to what you ate before obviously has no benefits. The only thing that works is actually changing your eating habits long-term which isn't a "diet".
Whaleshark /spits on your science.
My opinion. I think it's wrong to call it a diet for weight loss when what you really need to be doing is lifestyle changing. You shouldn't go on a diet to lose weight, lose weight then think you can drop the diet. It needs to be a lifetime change. Plus some think that dieting alone will do it when it's a combination or both diet and exercise or burning more cal. than you consume that does it.
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Because it doesn't work unless you also properly exercise. Just changing what you eat will have little to no affect on your appearance.
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Of course dieting works, but you have to be consistent. Also your brain is addicted to the shit you eat so it takes a good 2 weeks of solid healthy eating with dieting portion sizes before a change starts to happen.
I remember I lost 40kg when I got real fat when I was around 27 years old. Took 8 months of no bread, no alcohol and strict but tasty dieting.
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Cool. I'm glad we finally managed to cut through all the bullshit to reveal that when it really comes down to it you're just kind of an asshole to people whose life choices you disagree with. You literally have no argument. It's not that people deserve to have you treat them like shit, you've just decided that you want to.
You're the problem, and I think we can all see that now. Congrats!
I think a big part of the problem is that people think that a diet or some pills will make you lose weight and keep it off forever. The reality is that you actually have to exercise and be an active person and not sit on your ass.
denialism.
ever watch that show where the people have to lose weight in order to get gastric bypass? every episode had them eating over the calorie intake set by the Dr... ON CAMERA only to go to the DR crying and say the diet never worked. every single time.
I have seen it in person, people drinking 2-3 large ice caps a day from tim hortons on top of everything else... motherfucker that's like 600-1,200-,1,800 calories by itself in liquids and for someone who sits a desk, thats already over your daily intake.
what? what are you on about? i can call people whatever i like, just like you can call me whatever, im not a crybaby
im not a problem, the problem are weak people that blame their problems on others, nonexistent mental health problems, say that they cant do this or that, normalize being fat etc.
you know that if every single person int he world was fat it would create insane problems?
if you dont want to be called fat - stop being fat
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It's not wrong at all, you're seemingly putting every single fat person into the category of unable to lose weight due to a very serious illness or genetic disposition, which is just plain wrong. Sure, if you listen to every person that blames that then you'll have a ridiculously high percentage of people, but the people that actually have these problems? Very small amount... Very high majority of fat people are too lazy to do anything about it, that's it, nothing else holding them back. A very small minority of them have legitimate issues which make it near impossible to do it.
No they're not the most significant issues, they're just issues I regularly face, and sure they might not be very extensive but they require will power and discipline, and I can guarantee it's them situations that fat people normally give up on and succumb to the convenience of fast or very unhealthy food. I'm not saying that I'm some sort of super human or god's gift to the world, obviously, just saying that everyone has issues/struggles they need to overcome. My gf is an example (she used to be massive before I met her), constantly up and down with weight and complaining how hard it was to lose weight, as you can imagine, she got no sympathy from me. After going through this for a good few months of yo yo dieting she is now a good 2 stone lighter and has stuck to it for almost half a year and one of the first things she said to me was "you were right". All it took was a bit of motivation to start off, a good plan, and dedication and now she's in that mindset. The key is sticking at it and not quitting, which is what people do.
Of course, I will agree very severe depression and other health issues are going to be very very hard to overcome, and I cannot begin to imagine trying to take that on myself. Those people I have sympathy for, but that's not what I'm talking about... As I said, the 1% that have thyroid or very serious health issues I can agree with. It's such a low amount compared to the amount of fat people though, so how is that really an issue? As mentioned previously, people will say they have all these serious health issues when they don't just to lie and look for sympathy and an excuse as to why they "can't" do it.
You also say "if something's not a problem for you it shouldn't be for anyone", it is a problem for me. Do you know how much money and time is spent dealing with fat people's issues by doctors and such? It's all avoidable... Just like smokers and drug users etc. All that money also comes from taxes I pay, so whilst it may not directly affect my life, it does at the same time...
I have empathy for people, mate, in fact I have a hell of a lot. Just not for people that are too lazy and want a cake walk through life full of excuses and lies. Life isn't easy and isn't going to do you any favours. Whatever you want to do you have to work towards it, you can't sit on your arse and expect it to fall onto your lap like everyone seems to think (doesn't just apply to losing weight).
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Have you seen the Hodgetwins on youtube? They're huge and in good shape and they eat loads of fast food that's full of crap. All comes back to calories out>calories in. Whilst they eat all this shit, they're still making sure they're following their macros and getting all the grams of nutrients they need.
Whilst diet is obviously very important in losing weight, you can technically eat all the shit you want as long as you exercise to burn it off.
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Exactly... Fat acceptance is also a pathetic joke.
Ok so I'm totally up for admitting when I've got someone wrong, and I'd got you wrong. The tendency on here is for everything being completely polarised, and if it's basically just people with bullshit excuses you've got a problem with, then I'm on side, to a degree.
Like there are some, and I stress only some, fitness spaces where fat people can be made to feel excluded which is completely the wrong attitude obviously but it happens in part as a symptom of trying to shame people about their weight. At some point down the line for some people the idea of disagreeing with a health choice gets confused with otherising the person, so they give people shit even when they're actively trying to improve themselves. I'm not saying that even happens a lot of or most of the time at all, but when it does it's incredibly unhelpful as far as the shame and anxiety that somebody might feel before starting that kind of personal journey.
I do get where the shaming comes from, but just as people empower themselves to get out of the house and do things to improve themselves and for themselves, it's probably much more helpful to try to empower people to take a positive step rather than shame them for past decisions which they probably regret themselves in some respect.
Aite. So let's say that for the sake of argument it's cool to call people fat as long as it's not out of their control due to either a debilitating physiologial or psychological issue. Before you start handing out perjoritive labels to people who you pretty much know you're going to upset and shame, do you ask them if there's a rock solid reason why they're unhealthy first, or just give them shit anyway?
Last edited by Elkfingers; 2019-04-26 at 04:07 PM.
because diets don't work, they imply a temporary period of eating healthy and when people hit some arbitrary weight on a scale that means jack shit, they eat like shit, go back to their old habits and fucking tank their results then cry that it didn't work.
A few things you need to know:
diets don't work....because they are temporary
if you want to lose weight, change your body and PERMANENTLY have a better life, then you need to change your lifestyle
you NEED to take care of yourself, that means both WEIGHTS and CARDIO and NUTRITION, you WILL NOT outwork a bad diet, a bad eating lifestyle at all, it's IMPOSSIBLE.....
trust me, I know this from personal experience.
don't diet and exercise
eat and fucking train and you'll be fine
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I had to lose 25lbs. I would lose and gain it back, lose and gain it back. What worked for me?
1. If your ideal weight is 200lbs and you weigh 225lbs, at day one, start living and eating like a 200 pound person. If you take in the calories that a 200lb person needs, I guarantee you, you'll eventually come down to 200lbs. It might take 6 months but you'll get there. And when you do, you'll be used to living life like a 200lb person. You won't yoyo back to 225lbs.
2. The Japanese have the lowest obesity weight of any industrialized country. Live like the Japanese do.
a. Cook all your own meals
b. Eat at a table with plates, knives and forks.
c. Walk like a mile to and from work
d. Eat at set times like 8AM, 12PM, 4PM. No snaking.
3. Cut all the sugar you can out of your diet. If it tastes sweet, don't eat it.
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Fair enough.
Don't get me wrong, if I had a fat friend or whatever that wanted to go to the gym and lose weight then hell yeah I would spur them on and give them motivation to do so. I would never be like "haha look at the fatty on the treadmill" because they're out there doing something about it and for that I have a lot of respect.
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I agree with what you say, but you're wrong that you can't outwork a bad diet because you can, it's just not recommended xD and needs a hell of a lot work and cardio. Although, if you knew how many calories/fat etc was in fast food you could actually incorporate that into your diet. Of course this is not healthy or recommended, but it is possible.
Check out hodgetwins youtube for example.
im not wrong that you cant outwork a bad diet...you're 100% wrong because trust me, you CAN NOT outwork a bad diet, it's called science and science is never wrong, I've been in the fitness industry almost 20 years...not one person that I've ever coached, worked with, worked for or have learned from has ever said you can outwork a bad diet, because guess what, you fucking CANT...it's absolutely impossible....between the body stressing and diverting energy to eat and then the crazy amount of work you would have to put in to burn all the excess? Yeah, please stop spreading misinformation, ill say it again for those in the back.....
YOU
CANT
OUTWORK
A BAD
DIET
PERIOD!!!
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and no, just adding in fast food, doesn't count as it being a bad diet, a bad diet isn't questionable it's either bad or it's not, and if it's bad you don't outwork it.....you need to relearn what an actual DIET is and then re-evaluate the statement....
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Because most fad diets are temp. Not eating enough can also lead to weight gain and hardly any weight loss. Every seen the show the biggest loser? You would see 300+ people eating 1,500 calories a day, working out all day and lose 0-2 lbs some weeks.
The best way to lose weight is a lifestyle change. Instead of "I can't eat that right now" it needs to be "I don't eat that anymore" Eating lots of greens and good protein is the best way to lose weight, you balance your hormones and you can't overeat greens because they are low calorie dense food. Some people don't eat enough, their body goes into starvation, they lose muscle then they overeat putting the weight on twice as fast as they lost it and end up with less muscle and more fat.
I piss pretty much everyone off when we discuss this topic. I'll be 34 in a month, still eat junk food all the time like I did in my early 20's, and have maintained my weight for years. My job does require me to occasionally carry heavy stuff around and climb ladders and that sort of thing sometimes, but it's mostly a desk job. I do get some exercise, but nothing hardcore (just a few pushups / situps a day to keep in shape).
Granted, I'm a little on the skinny side (not like "sack of bones" skinny, but a good bit more so than an average guy my age), but by rights, I should be fat as hell the way I eat. The only major diet change I've done recently was cut back hardcore on Coke/Pepsi products, but that hasn't seemed to make much of a difference on anything. I seem to have a harder time gaining weight than anything else.
Just following a diet doesn’t work. You need to workout to burn calories and shit. When it comes to losing weight it’s a three part commitment, diet, exercise, and will. Your will to lose weight is the biggest obstacle. You really have to want to get the pounds off. Exercise will break your will and diet will tempt you to stray.