Try to remember the original reason for my examples and think from my POV. The poster I quoted had stated that "I remember when blizzard started giving out free boosts with expacs it lead to tons of people feeling entitled to clear everything and do everything with no effort at all."
The reason I cited those examples were because they were heavily implying that FF14 doesn't suffer from the same exact problem, which is inaccurate. I then cited those anecdotes to better help them understand my logic. You arguing the validity of my anecdotes is pretty irrelevant to that discussion point. They clearly demonstrate that I'm right. That there is rampant entitlement and "carrying" occurring in FF14 right now.
I've looked over the logs time and time again when these things pop up. It's not about gear or people being bad. It's always the exact same issue every single time. It's people being lazy. It's people who only push buttons once every 8-12s. That's freeloading and it shouldn't be tolerated because it's disrespectful to other peoples time.[*]How many 24 mans have I joined where I was top DPS as a tank So? Did you get the thing done? If it isn't advanced content who cares?
I'll echo it here again since you may not know me. I will help, teach, or play with a bad player ANY day of the week with a smile on my face. I don't tolerate ignorance or laziness. If you're matched with a team you OWE them your best effort regardless of your performance level. And no, pushing buttons every 8s is no ones best effort.
This has nothing to do with me. It has to do with others not pulling equivalent weight. It's not about performance. I'm not asking for top tier DPS or speedruns from the community. All I ask is that they try. And for reference I've done testing on this. You can literally mash 1 button over and over again and do more DPS than the previous expansion. If you are doing less, it's because you're purposely choosing to disrespect your teammates (barring repeated deaths, but that's a separate issue with more nuance).[*]How about dungeons where I had players doing less DPS than I was doing more than a full expansion ago? Again who cares, makes it feel like you are promoting yourself here. Maybe you are an elite player, by definition that means that others won't be. What is the problem?
While I appreciate the insight into your personal reasons here, your comment really doesn't do anything to address what I said. That there is a staggering if not downright toxic divide in the community with regards to parsing/logs and that toxicity is bred from the friction between players who care and players who don't being forced into the same puddle (if WoW does only a single thing perfectly IMO, it's that it segregates its playerbase into like minded players VERY well).[*]How about FFLogs or parsers and the general lack of accountability or responsibility among the community? I play FFXIV to have fun, i did the whole WOWLOGS and DPS Parses thing already, as long as the boss dies and I am not too much of a burden the focus on the fun.
That's my whole point though. Is that it exists in both games. The poster I quoted very heavily implied that FF14 doesn't have this issue.
In my experience with Extreme Primals and Savage Pugs, learning parties are 100% the best way to go. It's the only time that people are really on the same page.I'm confident in my ability to learn, but I've been around long enough to know some people aren't as good at that and I'm not a fan of "learning" parties simply because without a dedicated group of good players there's not much learning going on except the names of which players suck the most/ are having a bad day because the group can't last long enough in the fight to learn anything.
One of my favorite things to do in FF14 (not as much in WoW) is to help people. I love just hopping in random learning parties and helping teach people, or before my permaban from OF helping other people learn how to tank etc. I get great joy from helping someone who is genuinely interested in learning.My experience with you personally as a player who actively engages in this type of content, really just made it more apparent that there are all types of players at all types of skill levels, but if it's done anything it's really highlighted the fact that people like you (genuinely decent people who are just wanting to play at that level of game play for the fun of it and are willing to help others out) tend to stick together and are therefore pretty rare to find out in the wild , so to speak. Which highlights another thing that's been said a million times in every MMO ever: Finding a good guild/ group of people to play with can make all the difference in the world as to your experience with end game content.
Couldn't agree more and if I wasn't clear originally. I do wholeheartedly agree that it exists in both games, which was the entire point of my post.
Bingo.
That is your opinion. My experience has been the complete opposite. I listed numerous examples. I can't list any meaningful ones except for maybe like 3 in my entire 14 years with WoW. One was a guy who bought his account. Another was a priest who was so bad, that we abandoned a M+ key before the first boss. He just kept dying to Volcanic repeatedly and never said a word.
Let me ask you this. Do you use FFLogs/ACT? If your answer is no, then frankly you don't have nearly enough information to make your claim.
And just to add another bit. I was leveling RDM for fun. I had gear 30 levels too low for me and a level like 12 ring. I deliberately went in and did NOTHING but spam impact over and over again in the 24 man we were doing. Not only did no one say a word to me or kick me (they should have). I got commendations, and managed to out perform 2 other DPS.
What I did was not ok. I felt terrible for doing it, but it was for science and needed to be done.