Update to Recent Suspensions

[Gadzooks]

It's lame to run those mods, and why risk it when it's against the rules?

People do know there is tons of free *exotic entertainment* out there on the net, right?

LOL. I gave up fighting that fight years ago. Some guys just need bewbs 24/7. Hey, someone has to have arrested development.

But I like this reversal. I think Ion may be getting emails from the top, along the lines of "Dude, that's a bit harsh for sloot mods - and do I need to remind you we're fighting to retain subs here?." Someone at Blizzard seems to be calling out the decisions, and that's great, whether it's Brack, the new producer, Ion, whoever. It's a good direction.

It's a good sign they're willing to reverse bad decisions, like this, and the portals. The WoW devs have oddly dug their heels into the sand on some issues in the past, nice to see someone is keeping that from happening,

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Huh?

People have been using nude mods for years and no one was ever banned for it.

I dimly recall some coming out in vanilla, that some people got temp bans for. I remember laughing at cartoon nipples in guild chat.

[insert random number]

Why would you get big tits when you could get massive glowing herbs and mining nodes.

And maybe a visual for maddening eyes of N'zoth that I can actually see.

While we're at it just make everything I need to get out of red and everything I need to stand in green. Sharp edges please.

[Ianus]

Why would you get big tits when you could get massive glowing herbs and mining nodes.

HAHAHAH best comment ever!!!

[Explicit Teemo Nudes]

Sad when you play a game just for the tits or rpeen or whatever it's called.

[Razzako]

What exactly does it tell you? They haven’t always permabannes botters in the past either.

Account sharing and botting are the two offenses that result in permabans almost every time in the past.

[deadman1]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, why are so many people into nudie mods? Never understood it on ES/Fallout either. If I want to look at porn, I just look at porn. Who gets off to wow characters with big tits?

[Alvito]

Hahahaha, should’ve been suspensions instead of warnings. Stop messing with the game and you won’t be banned. Simple.

Too many streamers and gamers that Blizz has doing their MDI announcing would have been tossed if they did that. So of course unlike the past they warn and do nothing.

[rrayy]

it's lame to ban tiddy mods. they don't hurt anything.

i really think they should just give a nude option for the game, like how conan exiles does it. have a setting where you see full, partial, or no nudity.

Apparently yuou have no iedea how game ratings work. If they allowed for full nudity, they would have to change their rating to MA which would drastically change how the game can be sold.

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People seem to forget that those Adult Mods is what keeps those people playing, without it they simply unsub and never touch WoW again. And we're talking quite a large player base here.

Ofcourse Blizzard has all the rights in the world to ban those people, but it will cut Sub numbers quite a lot.

It all boils down to... is it worth banning them if they're harmless, despite breaking the rules.

Blizzard knows about these Mods for a long long time, and always let it slip.

No ti isn't Not even close.

[Cobman]

Cartoonish big boobs are a thing in wow now? Gosh Im feeling old. Weirdos with their fetishes... Plus there are ratings for a reason, if u want some weird fetishes there are porn sites or smt, dont bring that shit into wow.

[JohnnyMccrum]

I think it's simple. If you want to prevent players from using tools to modify in-game models for non-gamebreaking-purposes then you should offer a safe alternative to them.

If I want to play as a gnome and get gnome racials, but I want to look like a blood elf, and I want every other gnome in the game to also be a blood elf, and sound like a blood elf. I really don't see the problem with that. It shouldn't be a third party thing, these should be toggles and settings within a first-party menu.

I think what needs to happen is an overhaul of how world of warcraft is installed and viewed on a clientside-level. People should be able to select only expansions they want to download and content they want to use. People should be able to say that all BFA tier gear now looks like BC tier gear. If someone wants to disable pandas, they should be able to say that all Pandas now look like humans or all cash shop mounts now look like regular old pintos. Never going to use the cash shop? disable it. These should be options when installing the game.

Banning people for using these tools is stupid, because the people who ethically use the tools will continue to find or develop new ones, and those that unethically use the tools will do the same. This is a case of not allowing people to play the game in the way they want to play it, and every time in the past, this has resulted in further backlash. Either let the people keep their hacky little tool and ban people using it maliciously, or actually take the time and money to develop a system from the groundlevel that would be an alternative to it.

[huehuehue]

uhhhhh. Was this just a goldshire ERP thing? Literally never heard anyone ever talk about having adult mods or whatever they are called in all my years playing.

e: alright, I guess its been a thing, found an article about how 7.3 temporarily broke nude mods from 2 years ago. Kinda weird that I've never heard anyone talk about it, I guess I don't frequent weird forums lol

[Mazzic518]

I think it's simple. If you want to prevent players from using tools to modify in-game models for non-gamebreaking-purposes then you should offer a safe alternative to them.

If I want to play as a gnome and get gnome racials, but I want to look like a blood elf, and I want every other gnome in the game to also be a blood elf, and sound like a blood elf. I really don't see the problem with that. It shouldn't be a third party thing, these should be toggles and settings within a first-party menu.

I think what needs to happen is an overhaul of how world of warcraft is installed and viewed on a clientside-level. People should be able to select only expansions they want to download and content they want to use. People should be able to say that all BFA tier gear now looks like BC tier gear. If someone wants to disable pandas, they should be able to say that all Pandas now look like humans or all cash shop mounts now look like regular old pintos. Never going to use the cash shop? disable it. These should be options when installing the game.

Banning people for using these tools is stupid, because the people who ethically use the tools will continue to find or develop new ones, and those that unethically use the tools will do the same. This is a case of not allowing people to play the game in the way they want to play it, and every time in the past, this has resulted in further backlash. Either let the people keep their hacky little tool and ban people using it maliciously, or actually take the time and money to develop a system from the groundlevel that would be an alternative to it.

You are completely delusional.

[Eapoe]

I think it's simple. If you want to prevent players from using tools to modify in-game models for non-gamebreaking-purposes then you should offer a safe alternative to them.

If I want to play as a gnome and get gnome racials, but I want to look like a blood elf, and I want every other gnome in the game to also be a blood elf, and sound like a blood elf. I really don't see the problem with that. It shouldn't be a third party thing, these should be toggles and settings within a first-party menu.

I think what needs to happen is an overhaul of how world of warcraft is installed and viewed on a clientside-level. People should be able to select only expansions they want to download and content they want to use. People should be able to say that all BFA tier gear now looks like BC tier gear. If someone wants to disable pandas, they should be able to say that all Pandas now look like humans or all cash shop mounts now look like regular old pintos. Never going to use the cash shop? disable it. These should be options when installing the game.

Banning people for using these tools is stupid, because the people who ethically use the tools will continue to find or develop new ones, and those that unethically use the tools will do the same. This is a case of not allowing people to play the game in the way they want to play it, and every time in the past, this has resulted in further backlash. Either let the people keep their hacky little tool and ban people using it maliciously, or actually take the time and money to develop a system from the groundlevel that would be an alternative to it.

Is this a troll post or are you really this deluded?

[Justpassing]

I think it's simple. If you want to prevent players from using tools to modify in-game models for non-gamebreaking-purposes then you should offer a safe alternative to them.

If I want to play as a gnome and get gnome racials, but I want to look like a blood elf, and I want every other gnome in the game to also be a blood elf, and sound like a blood elf. I really don't see the problem with that. It shouldn't be a third party thing, these should be toggles and settings within a first-party menu.

I think what needs to happen is an overhaul of how world of warcraft is installed and viewed on a clientside-level. People should be able to select only expansions they want to download and content they want to use. People should be able to say that all BFA tier gear now looks like BC tier gear. If someone wants to disable pandas, they should be able to say that all Pandas now look like humans or all cash shop mounts now look like regular old pintos. Never going to use the cash shop? disable it. These should be options when installing the game.

Banning people for using these tools is stupid, because the people who ethically use the tools will continue to find or develop new ones, and those that unethically use the tools will do the same. This is a case of not allowing people to play the game in the way they want to play it, and every time in the past, this has resulted in further backlash. Either let the people keep their hacky little tool and ban people using it maliciously, or actually take the time and money to develop a system from the groundlevel that would be an alternative to it.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[SoundOfGuns]

Fickedy-fuckedy. Blizzard should really shut the fuck up, sit down and probably focus on their bullshit instead of banning people like this for evidently no reason. Yes, true, modifying the game is against the ToS. Has been the past 14 years. Modding the game with skins and models is equally as old and at no point in time did this cause a banwave. Considering that the people doing that and figuring out HOW to do that are also the most loyal people, this was yet another plunder. No, this could not have affected anyone negatively. No, you can not get a gain out of the kind of modification you are talking about. No, you did not ban this for any other reason then "We can.". Fuck you for lying, Blizzard. And fuck you for still acting like you were justified after reactivating everyone involved. But i guess selling different color-options for your armor because they will never manage to get any coherence into these sets makes money. Got to ban the free competition first.

If Blizzard gets any more stupid they might as well move their headquarters into an asylum.

[Taeldorian]

I didn’t even know this existed before these ban waves. I’m not surprised people wanna run around in WoW and see tits but I’m surprised people have the audacity to complain about it as if playing WoW and seeing naked gnomes is a huge part of the game, it’s breaking ToS I’m not sure why people think that’s okay. I personally don’t care but if blizz doesn’t want people messing with shit like that then you probably shouldn’t.

They were nice enough to unban people who were modding giant nelf tiddies, if you don’t wanna get banned don’t do it again. There’s a lot of other places you can find nudity and giant tiddies, doesn’t need to be WoW. No reason to be screeching about it.

I do agree that they should probably work on fixing some really dumb looking models and textures that people had to mod in order for it to look good though.

[Redroniksre]

Fickedy-fuckedy. Blizzard should really shut the fuck up, sit down and probably focus on their bullshit instead of banning people like this for evidently no reason. Yes, true, modifying the game is against the ToS. Has been the past 14 years. Modding the game with skins and models is equally as old and at no point in time did this cause a banwave. Considering that the people doing that and figuring out HOW to do that are also the most loyal people, this was yet another plunder. No, this could not have affected anyone negatively. No, you can not get a gain out of the kind of modification you are talking about. No, you did not ban this for any other reason then "We can.". Fuck you for lying, Blizzard. And fuck you for still acting like you were justified after reactivating everyone involved. But i guess selling different color-options for your armor because they will never manage to get any coherence into these sets makes money. Got to ban the free competition first.

If Blizzard gets any more stupid they might as well move their headquarters into an asylum.

You do realize you can also change the models of things like herbs/ore and object files as well to gain an advantage, right? True most people were probably doing harmless stuff, but it can still be used negatively.

[Mrbleedinggums]

You don't understand how logic works. The quote isn't, "You can't have your cake and then eat it." The quote is that, "You can't have your cake and eat it too." If you eat it, then you no longer have it. It's a matter of concurrency. The AND function considers the variables at a single moment in time.

It depends on your primary language on the definition of "have". Have is not only used as a term for possession but also is primarily used as a word describing "to consume or do". "I have eggs for breakfast." "We'll have a beer."

So "You can have your cake" can be read as "You can consume your cake" which can cause confusion or a misunderstanding when phrased in one way but not the other.

Read this link that the original quoted person responded with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_ca...ake_and_eat_it

Paul Brians, Professor of English at Washington State University, states that a more logical or easier to understand version of the saying is, "You can’t eat your cake and have it too." Brians writes that a common source of confusion about this idiom stems from the verb to have which in this case indicates that once eaten, keeping possession of the cake is no longer possible, seeing that it is in your stomach (and no longer exists as a cake).[16]

Alternatively, the two verbs can be understood to represent a sequence of actions, so one can indeed "have" one's cake and then "eat" it. Consequently, the literal meaning of the reversed idiom doesn't match the metaphorical meaning. The phrase can also have specialized meaning in academic contexts; classicist Katharina Volk of Columbia University has used the phrase to describe the development of poetic imagery in Latin didactic poetry, naming the principle behind the imagery's adoption and application the "have-one's-cake-and-eat-it-too principle".[17]

In English, "have" can mean "eat", as in "Let's have breakfast" or "I'm having a sandwich". So the saying "You can't have your cake and eat it too" may mean that you can't eat the cake and then eat it again; or less metaphorically, that what you want is unreasonable. This interpretation makes sense in both the "have-eat" and "eat-have" iterations of the idiom, and might explain why the earliest known iteration is "have-eat".

[Aprete]

The amount of stupidity in these comments, holy shit!

Blizz has ALWAYS known about the cosmetic changes to characters as this has been a thing since Vanilla AND since Vanilla they have turned a blind eye to it. Is that fucking understood you idiots ? Blizzard has always known about this and have never taken any action against it so shut the hell up about the ToS shit already as it's a joke and enforced as often as jaywalking fines.

Since the end of Legion, Blizz decided to further strengthen their security and because of the changes to the game caused by it people had to create custom launchers that bypassed Warden as it was the only way to get the mods to work again. Now that being said and me being a part of this since Arctium has been a thing, I HAVE NEVER seen anyone make a mod that increases the size of ore/herbs or remove walls etc... NEVER.
Talking to the author of the launcher however has confirmed that indeed people could use it towards that purpose if they had the technical skill, but more importantly because the launcher messed with Warden, it made it easier for bots to play the game, which was an unintended consequence and the main reason for all the bans.

The whole premise for making the launcher was for character cosmetics and nothing else, no one found this on a hacking forum and decided to change its purpose as it was designed like this from ground up. It was not because of the changes to ore/herbs/pvp shit etc as not only is it impossible for Blizz to tell what changes you made, but again, I have never in all of these years seen people use it for anything but the cosmetics.

Edit: Even after explaining in detail the actual reason behind the ban the imbeciles are still at it..."bUt iT bReK TOs, iZ bAnS Xd"

[Nzx]

It's sad that people can't play the game the way they want to. Blizz is like Burger King, "Have it your way" as long as it's the way we tell you to have it. So what if some pervs want to have big breasted female models? So what if someone wants to make it easier to play dungeons and raids? You're telling me Method doesn't use mods to keep their oh-so important world first lead? You're telling me that Blizzard takes issue with this but not the thousands of disgusting, perverted erotic TRP and MRP profiles in Moon Guard, Wyrmrest Accord and even other RP servers?

Personally, I would love to be able to mod my Hunter's gun to sound like a GUN and not a stapler, or to have my character say custom dialogue options when I make an emote. But nooooo, that's against their ToS...

I'm not reading the rest of this thread because it's clear that the only people who don't agree with Blizzard's action here are strange, niche weirdos who want to force other people to accept their fetishes, but what you're saying at the end of your post is wrong, and absolutely doable within the current modding structure.

I'd encourage you to look into this more, if you actually care and you're not just complaining because you think it makes you look cool. You can make a macro that will play a particular sound file from the game whenever you /cry, for example. You could also pretty easily make a mod that plays the old gun sound effect every time you auto shot, and you could even go so far as to play a different sound for every different ability if you really wanted to.

The amount of stupidity in these comments, holy shit!

Blizz has ALWAYS known about the cosmetic changes to characters as this has been a thing since Vanilla AND since Vanilla they have turned a blind eye to it. Is that fucking understood you idiots ? Blizzard has always known about this and have never taken any action against it so shut the hell up about the ToS shit already as it's a joke and enforced as often as jaywalking fines.

Since the end of Legion, Blizz decided to further strengthen their security and because of the changes to the game caused by it people had to create custom launchers that bypassed Warden as it was the only way to get the mods to work again. Now that being said and me being a part of this since Arctium has been a thing, I HAVE NEVER seen anyone make a mod that increases the size of ore/herbs or remove walls etc... NEVER.
Talking to the author of the launcher however has confirmed that indeed people could use it towards that purpose if they had the technical skill, but more importantly because the launcher messed with Warden, it made it easier for bots to play the game, which was an unintended consequence and the main reason for all the bans.

The whole premise for making the launcher was for character cosmetics and nothing else, no one found this on a hacking forum and decided to change its purpose as it was designed like this from ground up. It was not because of the changes to ore/herbs/pvp shit etc as not only is it impossible for Blizz to tell what changes you made, but again, I have never in all of these years seen people use it for anything but the cosmetics.

Fuck me you people are so self-righteous it's pathetic. Something you call "cosmetic" is literally taking money out of Blizzard's pockets, because if you wanted a dwarf mage instead of your current human one you would either pay Blizzard for a paid race change, or you would pay Blizzard in terms of actually logging into the game and playing to level a dwarf mage, which contributes to their MAUs. If you use a hack engine to replace your human mage with a dwarf mage, you're avoiding both of those legitimate ways to accomplish what you want.

Blizzard, as a publically traded company, literally cannot allow widespread undermining of one of its avenues of revenue generation. If a shareholder were to ask why micro transaction revenues were down and Blizzard responded "oh yeah some losers wanted to see big cartoon tits on their WoW characters and as a result have also avoided using race changes or level boosts, but we're 100% okay with people undermining the integrity of our game engine and client because they said it's just cosmetic" that shareholder would sell, investors in general would see that as Blizzard not actually being committed to profit, and things would go downhill very quickly.

You can argue as much as you want about whether you think the current prices for race changes are justifiable or anything else. But, while those services still exist and while your only other option is contributing to Blizzard's MAUs, they're absolutely within their rights to ban you, regardless of your little sad anecdote about how ethical the reverse engineering community is.