Why has American police culture changed so much?

[Yadryonych]

Should American police work harder to attract a more classy recruit?

But policemen on a photo with boy are canadian

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Maybe back then because there was an influx of people in combat MOS’s. There’s a lot more MOS’s than just those, many of which actually give soldiers a skillset to use after the military.

So, no, not really common amongst all soldiers.

I am aware that the wide variety of military rolls offer a wide variety of skillsets. I even mentioned in my earlier post that for some the transition was temporary. Even by your own statement here it assists my argument. "Maybe back then because there was an influx of people" - an influx of infantry about 10 years ago or so would help shift the culture and that could continue to the present examples.

I think he is more talking about the % of police officers who use to be military and you're talking about the % of military who become police officers. You will get totally different numbers out of the same story.

Also this. I'm aware right now given lack of statistics all we've got is our opposing anecdotal evidence but mine tells me that it is not uncommon for law enforcement officers to have a military background and transitioning from military to law enforcement is not an uncommon occurrence. I wasn't arguing it was 'common among ALL soliders', I was arguing very generally that it is/was common.

[Yadryonych]

You want to go back to a time where the police could indiscriminately target black people without repercussion?

I can clearly see that policemen are black as well, are they discriminating themselves atm?

[Ealyssa]

Militarization of the police, which is totally not linked to having weapons everywhere

Should American police work harder to attract a more classy recruit?

That would imply to pay those civil servants more. Are you a socialist ? How un-american of you...

[zenkai]

I am aware that the wide variety of military rolls offer a wide variety of skillsets. I even mentioned in my earlier post that for some the transition was temporary. Even by your own statement here it assists my argument. "Maybe back then because there was an influx of people" - an influx of infantry about 10 years ago or so would help shift the culture and that could continue to the present examples.


Also this. I'm aware right now given lack of statistics all we've got is our opposing anecdotal evidence but mine tells me that it is not uncommon for law enforcement officers to have a military background and transitioning from military to law enforcement is not an uncommon occurrence. I wasn't arguing it was 'common among ALL soliders', I was arguing very generally that it is/was common.

Yeah, it's the main reason my brother joined the Army. He wanted to be a cop, they told him to get military experience or some other training. He ended up loving it and stayed in, he's 16 years in atm, in the special forces.

[Dellis0991]

Yeah they had nice hair while they billy clubbed the shit out of people.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

An influx of prior military from previous wars means we now have a higher number of prior military currently in law enforcement. It doesn’t mean just as many still join law enforcement,

This is true, my personal experience with people would fall in the probably 2007-2013 window that they transitioned out of the military into law enforcement.

nor does it mean that it’s a common practice.

And here we would just go back and forth all day with anecdotal quibbling. As I said, every person I know personally who was in the military spent at least some period of time in law enforcement after leaving service and almost all of them have told me it was common, or at least not uncommon, and then you're telling me no that's not true. So instead of keeping this up indefinitely have you seen any good movies lately?

[J012D4N]

Yeah... look at those two racist black police officers going after that black criminal. They must have targeted him because he is black... like they are.

Context ...
This is from the Columbia Ave riots. Police were asked not to use excessive force, or un-holster their fire arms, blah blah.

The photo below is a show of "excessive force", where cops south of the Mason-Dixon basically let their dogs attack anyone protesting, not dispersing. Sometimes bystanders got caught up in it. That photo is an example of police brutality during the Birmingham riots.

I can clearly see that policemen are black as well, are they discriminating themselves atm?

See above. Think that's what this guy was trying to convey?

[Kerghun]

As i'm sure very few people here are form vets and (or) police. You need to just watch Donut Operator on youtube and it break down on law enforcement.
Simply put it's fun to shit all over police right now. Lack of applicants and the quality of people applying leaves much to be desired. Also the level of shit you have to do as a cop is far greater than it was thirty or forty years ago, documenting everything you do it's not a desirable field of work and sure there are a fair few dumbasses and people who shouldn't be cops but that's true for everything.

Ton's of people shouldn't be parents (But yet they are), others shouldn't be doctors, contractors, you name it there's people disgracing their profession. But if you put Racist cop does X or look at one dumbass and smear it all over the front page as proof that every single cop is racist. Every single department is dominated by white supremacist neo nazi's, you poison a lot of minds of people who would be good cops.

It's why you won't find a lot of recruits to fill those voids and most veterans find the appeal of an organized system that is militaristic to go in to as were used to it. (Did my 3 years and joined the police not long after as a way to support myself.)

And I can't speak for all agencies, most police departments don't like MP's who transition to cops, usually the other way around. MP's have a much different standard than police and don't like the cross over. But quite a few combat MoS enjoy the police line of work, in my unit I know six other guys who joined the police after their time was up.

It's not Police culture that has changed, it's society, the media, and the way cops have to tip toe around everything. I get called a racist every single day for doing nothing but a simple traffic ticket, investigating an accident and explaining how they are at fault, and going into a house to explain to two grown adults basic human decency and not devolve into five year olds screaming at me for not doing something like arresting their next door neighbor who fixing his roof and some of the building tiles fell over the fence and onto their property.

It's a high stress job and high risk, you won't find people jumping into this line of work. You have to be patient, able to articulate yourself, and handle really stressful situations and deal with a lot of dumb shit, handling people with severe mental issues, drunks, suicidal, and those who say if any police come close I'll kill them and then do exactly the opposite.

If that sounds fun to you then sign up, sadly that's a big turn off to good applicants and when people are already in they find out very quickly that they can't handle this job and create the huge shortages in police forces. Ours is roughly 700 officers and were capable of staffing 1400. Every day we have overtime recall to fill the patrolman jobs that are the basic units that go to call to call. Roughly it's 1 officer per 1400 people in my city, many times it's just be me working in a section of five thousand people by myself and going call to call to call for eight hours straight or even better 16 hours because we're short staffed.

[Reaper0329]

You still can, what are you talking about lol

Unless you live in some wacko state like New York

If you live in my state of Virginia however:

https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/stat...aws/virginia/#

It's to my understanding that there is no law saying I can't have "firearms" or "non bladed projectile firing devices"

No, you can't.

The operative part of that is the "Federal and State laws" bit. Ignoring the state law component, legally owning what the statute classifies as a machine gun requires compliance with the National Firearms Act. In order to comply and get the $200 tax stamp, you'll need to undergo an extensive background check (I want to say that's done by the FBI but don't quote me on that one), get the approval of your local sheriff, submit your fingerprints to the BATF, and wait about six months for everything to clear. At that point, you'll be issued a $200 tax stamp allowing you to buy one machine gun of your choice...if you have around ~$20,000 lying around and can find a Class III firearms dealer. They're fairly rare. I do not know if Class III weapons are subject to the same FFL rules as regular guns (meaning, I don't know if you can do the transaction online and have it mailed to any regular FFL dealer; the dealer side of the law isn't my forte).

The Virginia statute doesn't make an exception to that presumption of offensive purpose for possession outside of one's premises for ranges or practice, which I find interesting. It's also interesting the law would specify empty shells, but that's more legal musings than anything else.

Not calling you out or anything; I just find that's a common misconception. You can get things that look like machine guns all day long, but getting an actual machine gun is usually prohibitively expensive and legally onerous.

On topic, I would presume the whole shaved head thing is simply so that suspects could not leverage the officer's hair in the event of an altercation. I don't really see anything spooky beyond that.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

I don’t know how many military people you personally know, but since birth I’ve been in the military life. I know a lot of military people, that’s why I replied to you.

And I know that about you from previous posts of yours. And it may be we're just not seeing eye to eye on what I mean by 'common'. And if you really want to keep going back and forth we can. How about this, it is not uncommon to find someone in law enforcement who has a military background?

[Chonar]

Imagine memeing on the Constitution and Bill of Rights

Good luck defending your self or family without any sort of firearm. Hope you can make it a phone to call the cops if something happens, and I hope they're there quick enough to help you out.

I'm not American. I'm an outside observer laughing at your inane shenanigans. So I'll meme at your outdated pieces of toiletpaper all I damn well want. Especially since they should've been updated to reflect modern society. Instead ya'll cling to it like the bible; also an outdated write-up that was applicable only in ancient times.

You're stuck in your gun hell. Your elders made stupid choices and you're stuck in a situation that could've been prevented.

I don't have the answers to solve it. I'm not out of touch with reality enough to say 'just ban all guns' and thinking that would solve the problem. But what I can do, is laugh at those thinking it's not only the only way, but the correct way, all evidence of the rest of the world to the contrary.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Yes, I’d agree with you on that.

That's all I was really trying to say.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

When the public spits on you, calls you "pigs," creates songs like "Fuck The Police," name armor-piercing rounds "cop killers," and so on and so forth, it tends to make them worse.

The people who think it was the police that evoked the public's change first are the truly delusional ones. The vast majority of people who choose to become police officers do so with the ideal of helping and protecting you (that's a general 'you'). You're (again, general) hatred of them is what makes things ugly, not the other way around.

[Fooliecoolie]

[Irian]

It's the "army guy" look. It's associated with looking tough and manly.

I personally can't stand the look. Guys look better with hair.

[Themerlin]

1950s



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Where did this shaved head bs come from?
https://newrepublic.com/article/1416...ior-philosophy

Should American police work harder to attract a more classy recruit?

Should we enforce more hair in the police dress code?

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I would blame the police recruiting soldiers not fit to serve in the public.

I also blame the George Bush Junior years where the police state was being manifested, changing the attitude of police throughout the country.

They are wannabe soldiers at this point.

It will get worse as the population reaches 400 million.

[Zython]

It hasn't.

[UnluckyAmateur]

Because they're trying so hard to look like their a military force.

[Mormolyce]

Is it because of more police officers coming from a military background?

Because the crime has changed. As the criminals get harder, so must the police.

Nice feelings bro. Here's some facts.