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    Quote Originally Posted by Exuberance View Post
    If someone were to walk in your front door and refuse to leave, and start roughing up your family, would you be prepared?

    Or, what if you invited someone over, and things turned ugly, and they refused to leave, what would you do?

    Or what if you didn't invite someone over, and they were just creepy and were stalking you, and they snuck into your house, and refused to leave you alone? What would you do? Would you be prepared?

    As someone who has always advocated against guns and always tried to look for solutions around using violence, I've constantly wondered exactly how I could deal with a situation like you can see in some horror movies or in the news when I'm not sure if I'd want to use such force. I know the automatic solution is just to call the police, but exactly how do you do that if you're pinned down or things go down pretty fast?
    I have a 'long knife' that I keep in a convenient place for such things. Not a fan of fire arms, but I will not hesitate to stab a mother fucker who puts my fiance's, or my life in danger in my home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girighet View Post
    My stepfather and mother do.
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    My parents have for decades.
    An American, as part of a documentary on American culture, literally walks around a Canadian neighbourhood marvelling at the fact people don't have to lock their doors. Hard to tell if they (Americans) are just paranoid or they literally are just living a cesspit of shitty humans and therefore it's required The way they talk about their country sometimes makes it difficult.

    Happy to see that it isn't true for the entire country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exuberance View Post
    If someone were to walk in your front door and refuse to leave, and start roughing up your family, would you be prepared?

    Or, what if you invited someone over, and things turned ugly, and they refused to leave, what would you do?

    Or what if you didn't invite someone over, and they were just creepy and were stalking you, and they snuck into your house, and refused to leave you alone? What would you do? Would you be prepared?
    Not an invasion if you invite them in. I mean in the past when I've told someone to leave they left with no trouble. If they refused to leave I'd call the police. If they were being physically aggressive I'm physically escort them out then call the police. I don't envy the person who angers me to the point I am cleared to physically engage them. Unless they are like a semi professional fighter I think I'd be ok with my training and experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    An American, as part of a documentary on American culture, literally walks around a Canadian neighbourhood marvelling at the fact people don't have to lock their doors. Hard to tell if they (Americans) are just paranoid or they literally are just living a cesspit of shitty humans and therefore it's required The way they talk about their country sometimes makes it difficult.

    Happy to see that it isn't true for the entire country.
    Honestly, I don't know what the answer is. It probably depends on the neighborhood and how you grew up. Like I said I grew up with never locking my door, but for some reason I do at my house. I live much more out in the country than my parents do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    An American, as part of a documentary on American culture, literally walks around a Canadian neighbourhood marvelling at the fact people don't have to lock their doors. Hard to tell if they (Americans) are just paranoid or they literally are just living a cesspit of shitty humans and therefore it's required The way they talk about their country sometimes makes it difficult.

    Happy to see that it isn't true for the entire country.
    For reference, I live in Maryland. My mom has 6 acres in a nice area and will leave doors unlocked while shes home until it gets dark. My grandmother has a 100 acre farm and will leave hers unlocked all the time. I now live in a little town with a bad area. I leave my shit locked even when I am at home. A lot of door to door solicitors and a lock keeps honest eyes honest. Also drugs and crime in my area, ppl break in. Sister had someone steal shit from her house and shes just 10 mins away. Brother lives near DC, in a gated community, with the door locked, and someone still broke in with a crowbar. When you live near an area that has some poverty and higher crime and drug use, its practically required to lock your doors. The more rural you go the more likely you are to leave your door unlocked

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormbreed View Post
    Learn BJJ, easily handle the situation like a man, and you dont have to hurt anyone.
    This guy gets it.. Black belt in BJJ with a brown belt wife.. haven't felt unarmed and unsafe in the last decade.

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    Its so incredibly unlikely you'll ever be home invaded. Stop having an irrational fear about it and go on with your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    Its so incredibly unlikely you'll ever be home invaded. Stop having an irrational fear about it and go on with your life.
    What's your address?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    For reference, I live in Maryland. My mom has 6 acres in a nice area and will leave doors unlocked while shes home until it gets dark. My grandmother has a 100 acre farm and will leave hers unlocked all the time. I now live in a little town with a bad area. I leave my shit locked even when I am at home. A lot of door to door solicitors and a lock keeps honest eyes honest. Also drugs and crime in my area, ppl break in. Sister had someone steal shit from her house and shes just 10 mins away. Brother lives near DC, in a gated community, with the door locked, and someone still broke in with a crowbar. When you live near an area that has some poverty and higher crime and drug use, its practically required to lock your doors. The more rural you go the more likely you are to leave your door unlocked
    Yeah I mean at the time it stood out to me, not that obviously some people lock their doors and some don't, but that he (okay full disclosure, it was Michael Moore) made such a big deal out of finding an area (in Canada) where people didn't feel it was necessary. The way he made it a part of his documentary as if it were so worthy of note, gave the impression that it would be so alien to Americans.

    I've lived in small towns (100k) and bigger towns (400k) but never a true metropolis city; but I've never felt there was any need to lock my door and found it very inconvenient - when I was younger and sharing houses - to live with people who would insist on locking the door, even when they were at home! Someone knocks on the door you go to answer it then its the hurried shout through the glass "Oh sorry gimme a moment some twat locked it."
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    I'm extremely pro gun but step one should be putting yourself in a community where home invasions don't happen and have steps in place to not make your home a desirable target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    What's your address?
    Giving away my address doesn't deny the fact that it is astronomically unlikely you'll ever be home invaded. You should look up Security Theater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Yeah I mean at the time it stood out to me, not that obviously some people lock their doors and some don't, but that he (okay full disclosure, it was Michael Moore) made such a big deal out of finding an area (in Canada) where people didn't feel it was necessary. The way he made it a part of his documentary as if it were so worthy of note, gave the impression that it would be so alien to Americans.

    I've lived in small towns (100k) and bigger towns (400k) but never a true metropolis city; but I've never felt there was any need to lock my door and found it very inconvenient - when I was younger and sharing houses - to live with people who would insist on locking the door, even when they were at home! Someone knocks on the door you go to answer it then its the hurried shout through the glass "Oh sorry gimme a moment some twat locked it."
    Ahh gotcha. Ya I'm sure theres a large amount of Americans, maybe even a majority who have always locked their doors and never thought ppl didnt do that.

    I just dont want to take the small chance that someone with bad intentions checks my door. I know it's unlikely, but I still put my seatbelt on every time I drive, even if it's only a 5 min ride. I would love to live in an area again where I didnt feel the need to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    Giving away my address doesn't deny the fact that it is astronomically unlikely you'll ever be home invaded. You should look up Security Theater.
    Ya I was just tryna be funny. I wasn't sure if your post was directed at everyone or not but most ppl don't let the fear of being broken into ruin their life. Most ppl just lock the door as they pass thru it and dont think anything of it. Have a small plan of something happens and that's it.

  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by Exuberance View Post
    Why would I open the door to someone who's likely to attack me? I know unexpected things happen, but that makes no sense. I'm talking about if they're already inside. If it was as simple as slamming the door and calling the police then I doubt that all the stories in the news about home invasions would have gone the way they did. So, any other suggestions?
    I pity you. I live in Germany. We don't have stories about home invasions. At all.

  14. #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Exuberance View Post
    If someone were to walk in your front door and refuse to leave, and start roughing up your family, would you be prepared?
    I would fly in about with a claw hammer. The standard Scottish greeting to an enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    Its so incredibly unlikely you'll ever be home invaded. Stop having an irrational fear about it and go on with your life.
    You act like people are curled up in a corner in the fetal position rocking back in forth worried about home invasions lol? Just because someone prepares for something, however, unlikely, it doesn't mean its irrational or disrupting their life...

    The odds of you dying suddenly as a forty something healthy person are astronomically low, yet those people still buy life insurance?

    The odds of you suffering some debilitating illness/injury that puts you out of work for months is quite low, yet people still save up emergency funds?

    The odds of you getting skin cancer from sun exposure are quite low, yet people still put on sun screen?

    Are all of those people living with irrational fear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    You act like people are curled up in a corner in the fetal position rocking back in forth worried about home invasions lol? Just because someone prepares for something, however, unlikely, it doesn't mean its irrational or disrupting their life...

    The odds of you dying suddenly as a forty something healthy person are astronomically low, yet those people still buy life insurance?

    The odds of you suffering some debilitating illness/injury that puts you out of work for months is quite low, yet people still save up emergency funds?

    The odds of you getting skin cancer from sun exposure are quite low, yet people still put on sun screen?

    Are all of those people living with irrational fear?
    He's actively asking how to deal with it. A simple, "I would call the cops" as a normal person would, is a sufficient answer and all the OP really needs to consider.

    You can't live your life worrying about the minor "what ifs" to the point where you are actively seeking a plan.

    You're also conflating planning for an emergency with likely low medical issues. You're a lot more likely to have a financial crisis in your life (which you should plan for) than you are to get skin cancer from 20 minutes in the sun with sunscreen on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    He's actively asking how to deal with it. A simple, "I would call the cops" as a normal person would, is a sufficient answer and all the OP really needs to consider.

    You can't live your life worrying about the minor "what ifs" to the point where you are actively seeking a plan.

    You're also conflating planning for an emergency with likely low medical issues. You're a lot more likely to have a financial crisis in your life (which you should plan for) than you are to get skin cancer from 20 minutes in the sun with sunscreen on.
    "Please wait here, Mr. Burglar, I have called the police and when they arrive, you will be arrested. No wait! Why are you attacking me!?"

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    As the poster above said, for someone living outside of countries currently being freedomized by the United States (where having very agressive young men bursting through your door ready to shoot you for any reason is actually a very serious problem), a lot of scenario that are presented as ''common'' by gun nuts are not that common.

    Blunt example, the often quoted : ''I need a gun to defend myself from animals''.

    Okay. If you are not raising the next champion of an underground fighting dog circle, what animal exactly warrants such fears in the USA (and Canada). If you don't live in Alaska or northern Prairies (99% of the population), the only predator that is actually dangerous to humans (and who usually flee) is the grizzly. There are 1500 of those outside of Alaska, and most of them are in parks. Does that strike you as a very significant risk ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    "Please wait here, Mr. Burglar, I have called the police and when they arrive, you will be arrested. No wait! Why are you attacking me!?"
    Yet in Canada, we have the same density of population than you, less gun, and less crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldfrostzero View Post
    He's actively asking how to deal with it. A simple, "I would call the cops" as a normal person would, is a sufficient answer and all the OP really needs to consider.

    You can't live your life worrying about the minor "what ifs" to the point where you are actively seeking a plan.

    You're also conflating planning for an emergency with likely low medical issues. You're a lot more likely to have a financial crisis in your life (which you should plan for) than you are to get skin cancer from 20 minutes in the sun with sunscreen on.
    Only you aren't 'spending your life' worrying about those things... In the case of buying a gun for home defense, you buy a gun, perhaps a safe/lockbox for it if you have children, and then you forget about it. Its like an insurance policy, only entirely out of mind since you aren't paying for it continuously forever like insurance, you pay for it once and then it never matters again unless you need it.

    I know anecdotes are pretty worthless, but a couple months ago my sister and my father were arguing about guns (her against, him in favor)... My mom chimed in on my sister's side. I reminded her that she herself owns a gun for home defense, she had completely forgotten about it because it just sits in her closet in a case and she hadn't touched it for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ellieg View Post
    "Please wait here, Mr. Burglar, I have called the police and when they arrive, you will be arrested. No wait! Why are you attacking me!?"
    Again, so incredibly unlikely to happen, its not something to spend much time, other than a fleeting moment, to worry about. There are many deterrents, but the OP wants a non-violent one. Calling the cops is non-violent.

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