Thousands of German students protest against maths exam deemed 'too difficult'

[Orange Joe]

That's a pretty silly comparison, I'd argue the second method better illustrates the core concepts. The former is simply rote learning.

There is no defense for common core math. Shits stupid and needs to be done away with.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

i cannot wait to pick my kid up from school early one day because she told the teacher this is fucking stupid. she will get a treat that day.

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With small numbers like this... it's really pointless. It's more work writing it all down than just getting the answer in a fraction of that time.
I mean... you can calculate addition and subtraction with 6 digit numbers in your head usually.

whatever. just like constipation, i will work my math out with a pencil on paper.

[rda]

School exams are only used to get into college, and if in a specific year they are equally difficult to everyone, where's the unfairness?

[Cosmic Janitor]

Thanks for the link It is indeed more up to date!
Although I am not sure what "Programme for International Student Assessment " means
Usually we call "international students" those that are from other countries, not the locals.

It means it assesses students internationally? Seems to be a perfectly fine description for an organisation like that, even though I do have qualms about their tests and the annoying rammifications of them on the curriculum. In the past alot of the math that is now taught during the first 2-3 semesters in uni used to be taught during the end of regular school education, part of why that has been sacrificed was to please these ranking tests.. the other being that in our 3 tiered system it became fashionable to sue your kid into the highest tier, because everyone needs an education that prepares you for further academic education, even the front desk clerk in some bank.

As for the test: If they indeed asked things that were never thaught and they were not supposed to be taught then I could see people being pissed. Ironically, while this will hardly impact those that actually go into stem, the numerus clausus for other fields like medicine and law will mean that if your teacher didn't bet on these kind of questions being important, you might miss out on your future because of things that were completely out of your hand.

[DeadKennedy]

Japanese kids: "Hold my sake".

[Aenigma84]

I would like to see a more recent study, though. Those numbers are from 2000, the students taking those tests now are literally born around that year.

https://data.oecd.org/pisa/mathemati...mance-pisa.htm

Germany is pretty high up there, I'd say.

maybe its mostly girls doing the complaining they do score alot lower then the boys it seems

but on a more serious note dragging the entire difficulty down so more people pass is not a good idea
if its the same difficulty as before atleast, if they recently changed it then its another matter and may need to be reviewed

[Yadryonych]

I wonder if their ultimate goal is this:

[tankbug]

I wonder if their ultimate goal is this:

Fuck, I clicked. Now my youtube-feed will be filled with right-wing, misogynistic crap by incel man-babies.

[Yadryonych]

Fuck, I clicked. Now my youtube-feed will be filled with right-wing, misogynistic crap by incel man-babies.

Poor Sunshine, that adds you one more privilege point

[Pentai]

As with all subjects, you just need to blow their minds until they have a freaking religious experience, have you tried having them count in pairs of boobs?

[tankbug]

Poor Sunshine, that adds you one more privilege point

Cool, as a straight, white male, im surfing through life on privilege, but can't hurt with a little more.

[kamuimac]

lol right. I looked at that and thought wtf is that shit!? This cannot be how they seriously teach subtraction now?

same - must be a joke or troll.

[Nnyco]

Germans are simply not that good in Math



source: https://www.nationmaster.com/country...tical-literacy

lol'd at 2000 data

[Unholyground]

My brain just figures shit out for me, being a savant is sweet.

[rda]

Depends on the math really... are they complaining about nonsensical math like the infamous common core questions example:



I don't really know enough about their situation to comment.

This might be a little misleading - I did a search and the above seems to be intended for 2nd grade = 7-8 years old, and those have to count within 100.

The "old fashion" way is still better, no doubt, but it's probably still introduced, just a little later, that's all. Or maybe it's already there and the "new" way is just an alternative method if some 7-8 year old folk find it easier.

[Saucexorzski]

So...they want the government to dumb down tests? Didn't work so great for the US fyi.

[Video Games]

I just took the c since i was going for linguistics and not math

[Katsutomai]

I wonder if their ultimate goal is this:

What in Gods name did I just watch? Jesus the propaganda here is off the goddamned charts.

[Puupi]

Thanks for the link It is indeed more up to date!
Although I am not sure what "Programme for International Student Assessment " means
Usually we call "international students" those that are from other countries, not the locals.

It's international student assesment. Not international student assesment.

[luc54]

That's a pretty silly comparison, I'd argue the second method better illustrates the core concepts. The former is simply rote learning.

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You add enough to get to the nearest 5, then to the nearest 10, then add 10s until you get close to 32, then add what's left to get to 32.

It's not meant to be a practical way to subtract, rather it's a way to test that the children understand how to work with numbers rather than simply blindly following an algorithm. It's something that's difficult to do in schooling.

How can you call that rote learning? Yes you have to remember how to do simple one digit suabstraction sometimes subtracting one digit from number between 10 to 19. This simplifies things and doesn't require so many steps. Also when you are doing division you've got to do the former anyway. It makes no sense to teach there me one and then the old one when teaching division.