Did the Holocaust lead to the creation of Israel?

[Independent voter]

When the Ottoman Empire owned Palestine, they allowed a few Jews to immigrate to Palestine but they stopped when Palestinians complained.

Prior to WWII, when Britain took over Palestine, they allowed like 400K Jews to immigrate but stopped for the same reason.

Holocaust happened.

1945, over a million Jews washed up on Palestinian shores with more coming each day.

1948, Palestinians said enough and waged war on the invaders.

1950, the UN voted almost unanimously to create the state of Israel in the nation of Palestine, the Muslim nations voting against it.

Did the Holocaust lead to the creation of Israel?

[Wilian]

There are many reasons but main ones is first the widepsread European anti-semitism that led to mass movement into the region in late 1800s til the time people figured out Holocaust happened and figured it's bad. It caused demographic shift that did not only affect Palestinian muslims but also Palestinian christians and jews.

The second key note is the jewish terrorism based on zionism and political pressure thorough the early 1900s on UK until they pushed for the creation of the Jewish state through United Nations (and prior to that League of Nations)

[dippinsawse]

No. Zionism existed in the 1800's. Israel was happening one way or the other. The holocaust only sped up the process.

[Fuiking]

There are many reasons but main ones is first the widepsread European anti-semitism that led to mass movement into the region in late 1800s til the time people figured out Holocaust happened and figured it's bad. It caused demographic shift that did not only affect Palestinian muslims but also Palestinian christians and jews.

The second key note is the jewish terrorism based on zionism and political pressure thorough the early 1900s on UK until they pushed for the creation of the Jewish state through United Nations (and prior to that League of Nations)

Eh? what? Ehm? what did you smoke about the 1900's? can you link me proof.

[Zogarth]

A big part of why Israel exist as it does today, is the massive (and frankly justified) guilt trip that Europe went through after WW2. It would perhaps have happened naturally anyway, but WW2 sure as hell sped it up.

[Mehrunes]

Eh? what? Ehm? what did you smoke about the 1900's? can you link me proof.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tory_Palestine

[Independent voter]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...tory_Palestine

That article says 1938 to 1948 when Jews used terrorism to drive the British out of Palestine.

Not 1900.

[Daedius]

There were plans long before it, it just hastened it out of pure necessity. Zionism was founded to reestablish Israel.

[Wilian]

That article says 1938 to 1948 when Jews used terrorism to drive the British out of Palestine.

Not 1900.

Early 1900s, not 1900 period.

[Puri]

Obviously it did. There were millions jews that had been stripped of their possessions looking around for refuge, but no country really wanted to take them in.
So the founding of Isreal seemed the logical choice to make.

Obviously the idea of creating a zionist state has been around for hundreds of years before, but the Holocaust created the required momentum.

[Wilian]

Obviously it did. There were millions jews that had been stripped of their possessions looking around for refuge, but no country really wanted to take them in.
So the founding of Isreal seemed the logical choice to make.

Obviously the idea of creating a zionist state has been around for hundreds of years before, but the Holocaust created the required momentum.

Eh, there were mass migration waves before Nazi Germany, most prominently during late 1800s. The entire Europe was very much anti-semitic and encouraged them going away and only the Holocaust really began to shift public opinion

[Independent voter]

Eh, there were mass migration waves before Nazi Germany, most prominently during late 1800s. The entire Europe was very much anti-semitic and encouraged them going away and only the Holocaust really began to shift public opinion

A few European Jews left Europe for Palestine prior to 1918. 1918 is when Britain took over Palestine from the Ottomans.

Britain then allowed 400K European Jews to immigrate to Palestine.

These Jews fled European oppression. Some saw the upcoming war and knew Jews would suffer so they fled.

The Holocaust expelled millions of European Jews from Europe, most headed to Palestine. You need millions of people to create a nation.

[Barendon]

Think we should ask whether Israel would've been created in a world the holocaust never happened. I think eventually Israel would've been made.

[unbound]

When the Ottoman Empire owned Palestine, they allowed a few Jews to immigrate to Palestine but they stopped when Palestinians complained.

Prior to WWII, when Britain took over Palestine, they allowed like 400K Jews to immigrate but stopped for the same reason.

Holocaust happened.

1945, over a million Jews washed up on Palestinian shores with more coming each day.

1948, Palestinians said enough and waged war on the invaders.

1950, the UN voted almost unanimously to create the state of Israel in the nation of Palestine, the Muslim nations voting against it.

Did the Holocaust lead to the creation of Israel?

It was likely coming anyways, but the Holocaust really pushed it into overdrive. Nice video that goes through the history rather well:

[Jyggalag]

It was likely coming anyways, but the Holocaust really pushed it into overdrive. Nice video that goes through the history rather well:

Excellent video. Hadn't the faintest clue about this whole thing beforehand, now I feel like I could have a debate on the topic lol

[Vash The Stampede]

I feel WW2 created Israel as the British just let go of that land in order to defend itself from the Nazi's. It's not like the British were going to hand over the land to the Jewish people because they felt bad.

[GreenJesus]

Early 1900s, not 1900 period.

1940 is closer to mid 1900s than early.

[Easo]

It was a part of the whole process. Mind you - a really big and important part, though. Europe was not safe, not even after the war, plus, let's be honest, it was convenient to most European countries...
But it did not start it, immigration to Palestine had started about half century ago, Holocaust really sped it up and made it trully massive.

[Independent voter]

Israel was created by European Jews who fled Europe because of genocide and oppression.


Do you think Europe would take back the European Israeli Jews if it meant that peace and stability in the Middle East?

Basically move Israel to Europe?

[Crispin]

I feel like a gaming forum should restrict topics like this.

Guess why its called the OFF-topic