Will there be a WoW token?

[kenn9530]

They would literally kill classic by introducing the WoW token there, how this isnt immediately apparent to you people is mind boggling.

a wow token doesnt create gold for one so it wouldnt affect the economy in anyway and the main thing in wow will be gear of which most items you want will be in dungeons and raids so gold would only help with having plenty of consumables and maybe the odd BoE drop that is actually usuable, more than 99% of wow players in classic wouldnt even be able to afford a token at even if it was at 500g, buying epic mount and riding will clean the average player of all gold.

[valax]

Not in classic but my guess is that it will still influence it . Think about it , easy gold making in retail = availability of multiple subs -> multiboxing allowed -> farmers reigning supreme -> gold selling and server economy disruption .
These people have been doing this "job" for so long that probably are already stacking gold for multiboxing waiting for classic to launch and profit from it. Only difference this time it won't be chinese but venezuelan people doing it.

Also I don't really think blizzard will care all that much about the classic economy , after all it's just a side service offered with the same subscription to retail if anything they will just bleed money to bolster their CS services classic is not going to add much more money than what a good retail expansion would.

[Fascinate]

a wow token doesnt create gold for one so it wouldnt affect the economy in anyway and the main thing in wow will be gear of which most items you want will be in dungeons and raids so gold would only help with having plenty of consumables and maybe the odd BoE drop that is actually usuable, more than 99% of wow players in classic wouldnt even be able to afford a token at even if it was at 500g, buying epic mount and riding will clean the average player of all gold.

Its not about the economy my guy, why people in this thread decided to make it about that is another head scratcher. Its about re-creating the game from 2006, and how the WoW token does not fit into that paradigm.

Its literally no different than blizzard introducing dual spec into classic, and is actually worse when you take into consideration how many things in vanilla were designed around gold mattering.

Im attempting to explain the types of conversations that go down at the blizzard offices and why they ultimately decided not to add the WoW token.

[Eon Drache]

You say dumb shit about classic and call other people dumb in every classic thread there is on this forum.

And literally the second when the tokens were added to the game they were exactly at 35000 gold, set by Blizzard. Can you one fucking time think or do some research before posting?!

That 35,000g was then removed from the game as another player bought the token. Sometimes the token fluctuates and the buyer spends less than the initial price, sometimes they spend more. The token COULD also do nothing but remove gold from the server. If it posts for 35,000g and then sells for 40,000g then 5,000g is removed from the server. That 40,000g didn't go to a player. It was removed completely from the economy. It isn't too difficult to understand.

[tikcol]

Its not about the economy my guy, why people in this thread decided to make it about that is another head scratcher. Its about re-creating the game from 2006, and how the WoW token does not fit into that paradigm.

Its literally no different than blizzard introducing dual spec into classic, and is actually worse when you take into consideration how many things in vanilla were designed around gold mattering.

Im attempting to explain the types of conversations that go down at the blizzard offices and why they ultimately decided not to add the WoW token.

You're wasting your time. Half the people that are so sure classic will have a token are trolls and the other half are delusional mouth breathers. Might be hard to distinguish between them but distinguishing them is also a waste of time. At the end of the day they're all delusional.

[Dartz1979]

Blizzard never liked gold sellers outside of their game because they were not getting any profit/earning of it so the incorporated the WoW Token system in play on retail.. and they will and i say this in definite confidence will have a token system for classic as well not right away but it will be there you can betcha skins and hides and mats on that one

[In Ogres We Trust]

Yes and no. While you are correct in a very narrow view, if you look at the broader impact there would be more gold in the system because the token system incentivizes more people to farm more gold. I am sure there is some impact but I am unsure how much.

This is the only argument against its inclusion that has any merit.

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youre not being forced to play anything. stop using the word forced. nobody is physically or mentally FORCING you to play a game at physical or metaphorical gunpoint. neither you, nor your friends, family, pets, etc, will be maimed or killed if you dont buy a token.

if spending 15 dollars a month is too much, you may wish to re-evaluate your life and/or living conditions. get a room mate if you have to.



i dont like wow tokens in retail either. never have, thought it was a horrible idea from the start, still do. and again, you arent being FORCED to do anything. stop using that word.

you dont need tokens to play the game. yeah, you can save 15 whole dollars a month. i spend more than twice that on my phone bill every month, and i only make phone calls 3-4 times a month for a couple minutes each.

An absurd argument.

[kenn9530]

Its not about the economy my guy, why people in this thread decided to make it about that is another head scratcher. Its about re-creating the game from 2006, and how the WoW token does not fit into that paradigm.

Its literally no different than blizzard introducing dual spec into classic, and is actually worse when you take into consideration how many things in vanilla were designed around gold mattering.

Im attempting to explain the types of conversations that go down at the blizzard offices and why they ultimately decided not to add the WoW token.

your not getting a true classic experience anyway so what would it matter, your basically gettign the kids version with all the improvements when the rest of us went throught the slow leveling process without all the class tweaks.

[Mnemonic22]

I can't say for certain, but if there is, I'm not playing.

[Firebert]

I can't see how there won't be.

[Razzako]

I'm going to help you two out here since this is painful to read.

Visit any Auction House and click on the "Auctions" tab. Right-click on your WoW Token to have it show up under "Auction Item."
When the auction is set up, it will display the current fixed gold price and the estimated time to sell. If you are happy with the price, click the "Create Auction" button. You do not set the price, Blizzard does via their internal algorithm based off supply and demand.
A confirmation window will pop up stating the exact gold price, that your Token can't be refunded, and that the auction cannot be cancelled. If you are fine with this, click on "Create Auction."
The Auction is now created and shows up with your other auctions on the "Auction" tab.
The seller cannot specify the Buyout price and Auction Duration for the WoW Token, and buyers can only buyout WoW Token, not bid. There is no deposit.
You are sent the amount of gold promised to you in the confirmation window. If the price of the token has gone up or down since you listed it, that does not affect the amount of gold you will get.

Basically as you can see after purchasing a token and then listing said token you are guaranteed the quoted amount of gold regardless of price fluctuations. The way your token is sold is via another player that already has the gold spending the amount the AH currently lists at the time of their purchase. Thus meaning that the WoW token can potentially generate gold that doesn't exist should the price drop after the auction is listed (because a player would pay say 90 gold when the original seller listed it when he was guaranteed 110 gold resulting in 20 gold magically appearing) or it could do the opposite and actually delete gold if the price had gone up in the meantime. It can also result in no overall gold generation or loss if the buyer purchases it from the AH for the same price that the seller was quoted when listing the token. It is for this reason that the overall impact of the token on the wow economy is negligible at best.

That can happen, but the gold tokens have been successful at stopping gold inflation levels such as the ones we've seen in past expansions. The thing is that you're accounting for a very particular scenario, I think it's safe to say that most of the time when a token is sold, it is sold for actual real-life currency. Tokens can be exchanged for this real-life currency in the form of blizzard credit which at the end of the day is the only thing holding back the gold inflation and sinking huge amounts of gold.

[Sevarin]

An absurd argument.

its not absurd to think that if 15 dollars a month isnt something you can afford, you need to at the very least work on your money management. unless literally 100% of your money is going into bills, gas, food from the grocery store, and household essentials, you can come up with 15 dollars. go out to eat two times less a month. youll have more than 15 dollars.


its crazy, but for the first 11 years of the game, millions of people came up with the 15 dollars a month. wow tokens didnt actually exist. if its a game you enjoy, and a game you play for more than one to two nights a month, 15 dollars for entertainment is cheap.

[Zafire]

A lot of people didn't buy gold because it was against the ToS and you were buying from a shady third party.

If you make WoW tokens a thing, anybody can "legally", and easily, obtain an epic mount, get crafting gear, buy all spells/tomes, level crafts quick, etc.

Gold was absolutely part of the experience. Offering something like a WoW token pretty much promotes a different experience.

[In Ogres We Trust]

its not absurd to think that if 15 dollars a month isnt something you can afford, you need to at the very least work on your money management. unless literally 100% of your money is going into bills, gas, food from the grocery store, and household essentials, you can come up with 15 dollars. go out to eat two times less a month. youll have more than 15 dollars.


its crazy, but for the first 11 years of the game, millions of people came up with the 15 dollars a month. wow tokens didnt actually exist. if its a game you enjoy, and a game you play for more than one to two nights a month, 15 dollars for entertainment is cheap.

It's an absurd argument, because you ASSUME that I can't afford it. In fact, your argument is, in terms of logic, one of the lowest arguments that you can make, i.e. name-calling or derision.

[FelPlague]

No token, it would inflate the prices of everything.

How? the token does not add gold to the economy, it technically removes it.

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That 35,000g was then removed from the game as another player bought the token. Sometimes the token fluctuates and the buyer spends less than the initial price, sometimes they spend more. The token COULD also do nothing but remove gold from the server. If it posts for 35,000g and then sells for 40,000g then 5,000g is removed from the server. That 40,000g didn't go to a player. It was removed completely from the economy. It isn't too difficult to understand.

Incorrect, when you put a token up, someone is buyying it for that price, there is no gold generated or lost, when a token is sold, it sels for that value, it does not maggicaly generate, or lose gold.

[Shaetha]

The token does actually create gold, it already did the second it launched (35000 gold). The supply/demand however does have an effect on its value (we don't even know that for sure, Blizzard could just set the value to whatever they want).

It's not that in the case of nobody buying tokens with gold that suddenly for 20€ you'd get 0 gold.

Do you have proof it creates gold? When you post one, you have to wait until it sells to be paid just like any other auction. I just want to know what your basis for this is, when all the evidence says otherwise.

[orderschvank]

Again, you are another person who types before they think.

Lets imagine a scenario where blizzard does decide to add a WoW token for acquiring in game currency for irl dollars. What do you think social media/youtube would look like the next day? The amount of subscribers blizzard would lose the NEXT DAY from content creators telling their followers to quit classic and go back to private servers would literally kill classic.

You type before you think, next time take a bit of time before you reply....this goes for all of you.

you give way too much credit to youtubers. you sound like one of those people you claim who blindly follow them.

[MoanaLisa]

If you're playing the current game then a token will work the same way as always. You can pay for your subscription through a token if you wish. A subscription covers both games.

If you're playing Classic only then you won't have access to one. So it's really up to whomever owns the account whether you want to bother with that.

You should assume that if you're only going to play Classic, the token system will not be available to you. Blizzard can change their mind but until they flat out say so it's a no go.

[Revamp Man]

The token doesn’t create gold, just reallocates it. It wouldn’t cause inflation. Order hall missions that create thousands of gold worth of rewards per day creates inflation.

It causes inflation of the server economy and in some cases does generate gold

Example:
But a token at 116k value to sell
Before it sells the price drops by 5k
You get 116k for a 111k token
If no one buys it on your server it's sold on another server and your server now has 116k gold extra in the economy

No token will be in classic

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Do you have proof it creates gold? When you post one, you have to wait until it sells to be paid just like any other auction. I just want to know what your basis for this is, when all the evidence says otherwise.

Regular auctions are server based
Tokens are region based

[InTheEnd]

Anyone who thinks Blizzard would allow a Token in Classic is deluded. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would result, especially from the #nochanges crowd?