Live Raid Tuning - May 14, Recruit-A-Friend Is Going on Hiatus

[Sigxy]

As a melee player who has to watch Ranged fuck up mechanics and I can't do a thing about it but watch the wipe, I'd love to have the mechanics. The fact that melee get to do nothing but sit and hit a boss isn't actually fun for us either. It's crap design to have fights that only engage a quarter of your raid group. So, no it's not melee being braindead, Blizzard just can't seem to design raid mechanics that are melee friendly and aren't any more engaging than "stack on this side of boss, now swap to other side." or "spread loosely 5yds around boss' ass to avoid spreading the bad." or "k swap to a different target, DK plz grip it into cleave range."

They really need more bosses like the end boss of Mogu'Shan Vaults.

They start to do attacks in different directions or in a short radius around themselves. Dodge them all and you get a one-use ability to do lots of damage.

[javierdsv]

This makes no sense, why wouldn't they just leave RAF working UNTIL their new system is in place?

In fact, it does make a lot of sense: Boosts.

[Azmoden]

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[xxcloud417xx]

They really need more bosses like the end boss of Mogu'Shan Vaults.

They start to do attacks in different directions or in a short radius around themselves. Dodge them all and you get a one-use ability to do lots of damage.

You’re on the right track, I think. The issue with raid mechanics is that they are a huge DPS loss for melee as it can reduce boss uptime drastically, so something that would be fun to do would just make your DPS dip so low that the disparity between Ranged and Melee in “meta” comps would be even larger.

What would be cool is if Melee got some legit fun mechanics to do, break the monotony a bit from tunneling a boss, and in return for doing the mechanic gain a DPS boost in some form or another. That way they stay competitive on meters while actually being engaged in the fight.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

In fact, it does make a lot of sense: Boosts.

no that doesn't make any sense as last time they reworked it they also shut it down and boost didn't exist then.

[Hotmail]

An RAF update? Why, what's the point? The game isn't drawing in any new players, in no small part because of grand ideas such as "making the encounters more accessible to guilds with melee-heavy rosters".

[Onikaroshi]

An RAF update? Why, what's the point? The game isn't drawing in any new players, in no small part because of grand ideas such as "making the encounters more accessible to guilds with any melee on their roster".

FTFY, melee has kind of been a joke this expansion, as in, if you can do it with little to no melee (unless there's a gimmick like Zul) it'll be better.

[Hotmail]

FTFY, melee has kind of been a joke this expansion

Only if you're one of those salty world 1st contenders--not saying you are--which is nothing a pipedream anyway.

Besides, where does this idea come from that designing a MMORPG around free raid loot for all is a good idea? Wow is shifting more and more towards accessibility at no cost, and that's annoying and sad. Why bother?

[Onikaroshi]

Only if you're one of those salty world 1st contenders--not saying you are--which is nothing a pipedream anyway.

Besides, where does this idea come from that designing a MMORPG around free raid loot for all is a good idea? Wow is shifting more and more towards accessibility at no cost, and that's annoying and sad. Why bother?

What's funny is you bring up "melee-heavy rosters" but no one bitches when everything is easier for ranged heavy rosters, like it almost ALWAYS has been. You should be able to kill a boss with any balanced roster.

Only difference between this expansion and the last ones is the level of gear you can get WITHOUT raiding which is the only sad part, raids always get nerfed.

[Pacster]

This makes no sense, why wouldn't they just leave RAF working UNTIL their new system is in place?

Because just changing it will not get any attention. Taking it away and then reintroducing it is much better. That's why you see "re-openings" of everything instead of "well, we just painted the walls. Not much to see.".

[Hotmail]

What's funny is you bring up "melee-heavy rosters"

I brought up "melee heavy rosters" as an example of the anathema that is killing this game. Have you considered reading slower so you can take the full point in?

but no one bitches when everything is easier for ranged heavy rosters, like it almost ALWAYS has been. You should be able to kill a boss with any balanced roster.

Balance is subjective, but I agree with the first part. Many other MMORPGs far outweigh WoW in this regard. Hell, even real life does Ranged DPS better; unsub and try an archery social club for great "fun".

[Onikaroshi]

Balance is subjective, but I agree with the first part.

Not really, balance is pretty much objective.

Balance in terms of a group makeup in this regard is not leaning heavily towards melee or ranged but an equal, or close to equal number of both. WoW raids have always leaned more towards a Ranged Heavy raid make up.

And it's not raid balance that's killing the game, honestly, at all. Raids have been nerfed so more people can do them for most of the games life.

In fact there has been bosses that were never killed till after nerfs started, like LK and the first 5% nerf. If you want to get technical almost ever recent end boss has had to have some sort of balancing nerf prior to being killed.

[Fabinas]

no that doesn't make any sense as last time they reworked it they also shut it down and boost didn't exist then.

GG comparing apples to oranges.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

GG comparing apples to oranges.

how is comparing it to the one other time it was shut down and reworked apples to oranges? its literally the same thing......

[Fabinas]

how is comparing it to the one other time it was shut down and reworked apples to oranges? its literally the same thing......

We cannot discuss if you don't understand the difference. Or, you're trolling. Won't bite either way.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

We cannot discuss if you don't understand the difference. Or, you're trolling. Won't bite either way.

So you have nothing? Got it.

[TheDeeGee]

No one wants to pay a Sub anymore for a game in 2019.

[Eleccybubb]

No one wants to pay a Sub anymore for a game in 2019.

I disagree. People will happily pay a sub if the quality of the game is equivalent to the sub cost.

Which WoW isn't these days imo.

[Fabinas]

So you have nothing? Got it.

Ok, now i'll bite.

Comparing shutdown and rework or RAF without character boost available to shutdown and rework or RAF with character boost available.

Sure, same thing.

[GUZ]

how about fix the horrible state of guilds