Should the "noose" Teachers be sacked

[Ragedaug]

I don't feel that its racist right off the bat, but its so f*cking close to something extremely racist its as dumb as holding the true swastika out and claiming its about sun and peace on your instagram then getting confused at people calling you a nazi. There are four of them, FOUR people who are supposed to be educated enough to be trusted in educating others, someone should have had the inkling of thought that this was a dumb idea, especially when Becky #5 picked up her phone for a picture.

I would only argue to say the swastika has one reference, whereas the uni-knot has many applications. So while the first thing we all think of is lynching, there can be many reasons they had tied a uni-knot that have nothing to do with lynching or even asphyxiation.

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I'm all for hearing why they took that picture and would accept a valid explanation. My first reaction will always be, 'you have some explaining to do'.

That's a valid reaction. I think most reasonable people would react that way. Some of us are recoiling at the reaction that they should all be fired and never work again, with no explanation.

[GrinningMan]

A lot of people have been triggered by this photo of 4 teachers in Southern California.

They are holding a noose & laughing about it.

How do you feel about it & are you offended by the photo ?

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...5dff592056489a

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-NOOSE.html


A shocking photograph of a group of teachers has sparked major controversy and lead to the group’s suspension from work.

The four female teachers — who work at Summerwind Elementary School in Southern California — were photographed smiling as they pointed to a noose.

The photograph was believed to have been taken by the school principal, Linda Brandts, who then emailed the photograph — as well as a second picture of the noose hanging on a wall in the staff offices — to all employees of the school, with no caption or context.

It was soon circulated on social media, sparking fury from the public, with many demanding the group be fired immediately over the morbid act.

One parent told local media that the noose had been hung from a tree on the grounds of the school earlier this month.

They also claimed that someone shot video of the teachers laughing and joking about the noose.

The photo has enraged people across the world, with many condemning the women for appearing to celebrate a tool associated with suicide.

“You women disgust me. You have no business in education. You deserve to be fired with professional reprimand,” one person wrote.

A statement, released by Palmdale School District Superintendent Raul Maldonado, confirmed he was aware of an “incident involving the discovery of a noose and possibly inappropriate responses to that discovery.”

He assured the public that an investigation was being conducted to get to the bottom of the incident.

But this did little to quell anger from the community, with parents and local activists protesting outside of Summerwind Elementary on Friday afternoon.

Some parents even pulled their kids out of school in response to the photographs.

One parent, Tierra Harris, told her daughter why the noose was so offensive to the community.

“Do you know what they use that for? They use that to hang African-American people — that’s what they do — and kill them,” Ms Harris told television station KABC.

“They still do it to this day. I don’t want you going here because I don’t want you to feel like that.”

Another parents Breyan Clemmons pulled her child out of the school and said it “hurts me to the core”.

“It’s disgusting and I’m outraged, and I want to see some action and not just administrative leave,” she told the Antelope Valley Press.

“We think that we’re sending them to a school; they’re safe. Never do we think we’re sending them to a plantation where they got nooses hanging up, and holding on to nooses.”

More white people were killed by the noose than black people.

[Adam Jensen]

While nooses aren't exactly symbols one should be laughing at, given their association with suicide or with lynching (especially in the US) and executions, without context I have a hard time being outraged.

[PACOX]

That's a valid reaction. I think most reasonable people would react that way. Some of us are recoiling at the reaction that they should all be fired and never work again, with no explanation.

Even if it was a hangman's knot I don't then they should be barred from education forever. One of the dudes I spoke to the most in high school came from a very racist family. He would say a lot of racist stuff because its what he grew up around, but never with malice. We would correct him, he'd listen, sometimes he got right away, some things he didn't, but as long as he never doubled down on what he said he was on good terms with everyone. Last time I heard from the guy he was dating a black girl.

Point is even if they messed up I'll hear them out if they're actually remorseful. My real issue is that a teacher ought to know better.

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More white people were killed by the noose than black people.

How many white people were taking out of their homes and lynched in the US?

[GrinningMan]

Even if it was a hangman's knot I don't then they should be barred from education forever. One of the dudes I spoke to the most in high school came from a very racist family. He would say a lot of racist stuff because its what he grew up around, but never with malice. We would correct him, he'd listen, sometimes he got right away, some things he didn't, but as long as he never doubled down on what he said he was on good terms with everyone. Last time I heard from the guy he was dating a black girl.

Point is even if they messed up I'll hear them out if they're actually remorseful. My real issue is that a teacher ought to know better.

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How many white people were taking out of their homes and lynched in the US?

In the US? Who knows.

In the world? Countless.

[PACOX]

In the US? Who knows.

In the world? Countless.

They're US teachers

[GrinningMan]

They're US teachers

That's nice.

Still one of the most popular execution methods until more efficient methods came along.

[PACOX]

This pic and the context it's provided in just reeks of outrage culture. I'd like to know how they found it or was it confiscated from a student.

Some reactions also reek of 'just get over it' without realizing why its taboo to a decent portion of the population.

[PACOX]

That's nice.

Still one of the most popular execution methods until more efficient methods came along.

We're talking about US teachers in the context of US culture. How many 'but stills' do you have?

[GrinningMan]

We're talking about US teachers in the context of US culture. How many 'but stills' do you have?

That's nice. I suppose you think the brazen bull was racist against greeks, right?
Or the Blood eagle was racist against Norwegians.

[Adam Jensen]

*cough* lynchmobs are called that for a reason *cough* they hung a lot of people as a part of frontier justice. Color didn't have much to do with it. It's pretty much *you did (x) now we'll hang ya*

You're being deliberately obtuse if you don't think lynching wasn't a big deal among blacks, just because whites were also hung.

It's not a matter of "who was hung more than who," but the fact that lynching was an integral part to the overall oppression of black people. White people being lynched or hung wasn't racially motivated, nor was it a part of a culture of racism and prejudice.

[GrinningMan]

You're being deliberately obtuse if you don't think lynching wasn't a big deal among blacks, just because whites were also hung.

It's not a matter of "who was hung more than who," but the fact that lynching was an integral part to the overall oppression of black people. White people being lynched or hung wasn't racially motivated, nor was it a part of a culture of racism and prejudice.

So is being shot and stabbed, but guns and knives aren't considered racist.

[PACOX]

That's nice. I suppose you think the brazen bull was racist against greeks, right?
Or the Blood eagle was racist against Norwegians.

No, because you purposely being absurd.

[GrinningMan]

No, because you purposely being absurd.

Oh fuck off.

The only thing absurd is screeching about some lady thinking that teaching at a public school is worthy of suicide. God knows it is with the hours they work to the disrespectful little shits that they are forced to deal with, day in and day out. If it were an all white school you'd giggle like the helium brained twit you are at it all. The only thing that concerns you is that it can be twisted into some 15 minutes of outrage.

The only difference between this shitshow and tumblr is that pornhub is thinking of scratching together the pocket change to buy one and not this freakshow.

[Shaqthefat]

The noose is the swastika for black Americas, and I don't a fuck about people who object what I said.

A teacher is not expected to be an expert but to have a particularly informed ear on society. They ought to know better and deserved to be fired.

The noose is also a method of suicide for all races and genders.

[PACOX]

The noose is also a method of suicide for all races and genders.

Yet specially used to terrorize black people in the US until the 1950s. Or am I supposed to ignore that this story takes place in the US for your convenience?

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Oh fuck off.

The only thing absurd is screeching about some lady thinking that teaching at a public school is worthy of suicide. God knows it is with the hours they work to the disrespectful little shits that they are forced to deal with, day in and day out. If it were an all white school you'd giggle like the helium brained twit you are at it all. The only thing that concerns you is that it can be twisted into some 15 minutes of outrage.

The only difference between this shitshow and tumblr is that pornhub is thinking of scratching together the pocket change to buy one and not this freakshow.

So you have nothing to actually add to the discussion. Good to know.

[Bapestar]

The noose is also a method of suicide for all races and genders.

Which makes this picture even worse.

[vilememory]

Lose their jobs, barred from ever teaching again, harassed online as well as off. Never allowed to find work again, and attack their loved ones as well. Such is the way of the world now. NO JUSTICE BUT SOCIAL JUSTICE!

[Devilyaki]

No, social media should never dictate if someone should be fired or not. Zero context to the picture.

[Shaqthefat]

Yet specially used to terrorize black people in the US until the 1950s. Or am I supposed to ignore that this story takes place in the US for your convenience?

Also used to execute people convicted of crime black or white in the United States. There was no "Well you are white so we won't be using the noose on you"