Game of Thrones, WOW, Star Wars...you name it....fans and their ''fixes'' : a plague?

[sarahtasher]

By the way, I have the completely and utterly presumably ''SJW'' POV that it's one thing to say that the Winterfell battle sucks, another things to nitpick about the finer point of medieval tactics, and another point to film competently a battle featuring ''medieval tactics'' that will please the fans on a generous but still limited budget.

[Kokolums]

Yup. D&D are on track to outdoing Mass Effect 3 in the "disappointing endings" department. Last week's episode was mindbogglingly bad. And they only have two episodes left to make up for it.

I don't watch GoT but I had heard from people who both watch the TV show and read the books that the books are way better and whenever the TV show strays from the books, the writers of the TV show just start killing random people to try to use shock value to cover up for the fact that they are poor writers.

[PACOX]

I don't agree with some of the direction of GoT in its last season but I would'nt call it dumb. Its jut in the same prose that attracted a lot of people to the series but its not like outs out of context. Same goes for WoW. People in the movie section know how'd I'd argue that Disney has dont for SW than the EU even if it currently has less content.

[Fabray]

Anyone objectively defending the direction of Game of Thrones the TV show or WoW for that matter is probably painfully dumb.

There is a point where bad writing is obviously bad writing.

Your objectively retarded self saying that is about all the evidence you need that the show has been amazing.

[Kaleredar]

So, when a story has problems you would rather that fans just stop being fans?

Because the WoW story right now is an absolute fucking shitshow. Would you rather have people make videos with ideas on how Blizzard can fix it? Or just have people quit the game? Because if people keep quitting WoW then it's going to die some day.

Oh, btw, Blizzard's "writers" aren't professionally trained writers. Their last lead writer(Kosak) was just some random dude who ran a WoW fan comic and got hired.

You can say you don't like a meal a chef cooks. You can say "I really didn't like that cake; I liked this other cake you made better"

But to then tell a chef how they should be cooking that meal while having no knowledge of how to cook yourself? "I didn't like that cake and I've never baked a cake and know nothing about baking a cake, but these are ingredients and directions I really think you should follow because they sound good to me..."

Probably not the most sound advice.

- - - Updated - - -

That is your opinion. Others might think the same of you for saying that. How can you consider your opinion a fact, anyway?

Have you seen any other posts by the poster you're quoting?

[Wyrt]

You can say you don't like a meal a chef cooks. You can say "I really didn't like that cake; I liked this other cake you made better"

But to then tell a chef how they should be cooking that meal while having no knowledge of how to cook yourself? "I didn't like that cake and I've never baked a cake and know nothing about baking a cake, but these are ingredients and directions I really think you should follow because they sound good to me..."

Probably not the most sound advice.

If I was served food of the same quality of Blizzard's story I'd throw it back in the chief's face.

[Kaleredar]

If I was served food of the same quality of Blizzard's story I'd throw it back in the chief's face.

Doesn't give one carte blanche to start pitching wild ideas on how to fix things and then get angry when the company or team doesn't do their inane fan theory.

I mean Overwatch's weird cling-on clique that cares about whether they introduce enough characters of whatever sexuality or demographic should be evidence of that. I don't care about teams making creative decisions to be more "inclusive," but when people DEMAND it (or demand the opposite and say too many things are being done for "SJW reasons") it becomes INCREDIBLY tiresome. Let developers be developers.


Same with Star Wars, GoT, and all of those "fandoms" that fans start to think they have more control over than the writers and developers themselves.

"Oh that's not the REAL Luke, the REAL Luke would have force-thrown all of those AT-ATs into the SUN!"

Ugh.

I have a pretty simple way of looking at it.

If you like the direction that the story of X is going...that's a valid opinion
If you don't like the direction that the story of X is going... that's a valid opinion

I do find however there are people that, after they decide thery don't like something about the direction the story of X is heading, they will start getting really fucking nitpicky about every little thing..and, while that's still a valid opinion, it's petty and annoying.

Like people getting up in arms about "there not being gravity in space, HOW COULD THE BOMBS DROP?!?!" in a movie about magical space wizards with laser swords?

[Kumorii]

I have a pretty simple way of looking at it.

If you like the direction that the story of X is going...that's a valid opinion
If you don't like the direction that the story of X is going... that's a valid opinion

I do find however there are people that, after they decide thery don't like something about the direction the story of X is heading, they will start getting really fucking nitpicky about every little thing..and, while that's still a valid opinion, it's petty and annoying.

That's the worst part when it comes to complaints tbh. I don't like how GoT is handled atm...problem is that people who complain about it just get annoying because suddenly everything is wrong no matter how small. Same goes for wow and anything.

[DarkAmbient]

There are GoT fan theories/re-writes on Reddit that are far better than what we've seen in Season 8, theories that actually make sense and do justice to the story and characters. Maybe D&D are about to pull a major bait-and-switch on us in the final 2 episodes but I fear that's the bargaining phase of grief talking.

[ParanoiD84]

Feels like the writers of GoT think we are dumb pulling battle strategies that makes no sense.

Wow lore is garbage and star wars is trash atm.

My opinion of course.

[Independent voter]

Game of Thrones, the TV series was amazing as long as it followed the books. When they ran out of George RR Martin's writing, the show turned to shit. If there's anything good left it's the characters and setting that George RR Martin wrote.

The story had intrigue, surprises, and plot twists. Now it just another action adventure show.

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

This is an oversimplification of things, at best. They're writers because their work was acknowledged at some point and they landed a break they needed. And that's really the only difference between a fan who writes and a writer who writes.

sure, everyone has to start somewhere, but if it turns out you suck at writing you get fired. people hate The Last Jedi (not my favorite of the saga, either) but rian johnson still has star wars jobs lined up. everyone shits on Hozzi and the other weird named dude that are top guys for WoW...they're 2 expansions in the future.

what i'm saying is no one will ever be able to make everyone happy, but that's because we develop a head canon about what we want to see and when it doesn't happen its a big WTF feeling. it's happened to me plenty of times. but after you play/watch it all turns out ok.

[Nebron]

Disclaimer : I'm a very amateur author and I'm perfectly aware I suck. I have a least the common sense to acknowledge than even the authors of dino-porn erotica do something better than me (steamy tyranosaurus backdoor shenanigans ? No, I mean in general) that is getting read and published.

Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.

Well, there are couple of simple things writers could input to improve the story:

- the most important one: get rid of that uncreative, exhausted story team and replace them with some fresh minds;
- introduce new characters with their own stories, struggles, attributes; if you want players to relate to those characters, they need to be conflicted; each character has to pursue their individual goal - that's one of the most important things in good storytelling;
- focus on plotline as one coherent story with some offshoots, which serves as a complement to the core storyline. In today's WoW we have too many "main stories" so it becomes confusing which actually is the real one - is it the War? is it the dying world? the Old Gods? - devs think these storylines interweave, but they really don't;
- make plot twists ONLY if you had proper foreshadowing. Otherwise it's absolutely unjustified and unrewarding - it serves only the sole purpose of shock;
- stop introducing things that had no proper explanation in story, like Tyrande's ascension to the Night Warrior. That the hell was that? Never heard about something like that so it had absolutely no meaning to me. Just some fancy ritual that devs thought it would look great - it doesn't;
- we need complex villians that actually work against us for some serious reason - not a dragon that came into our realm just to destroy the it...
- and STOP RETCONNING lore that had already been established!!!
- stop focusing the story on magical artifacts of unlimited powers: it's the laziest storytelling a writer can think of. Damn; it's usually like that: first, you take the artifact from the hands of bad guys, empower it with some serious forbidden dark magic, use it as our main power resource, and in the end you lose it to the bad guys, so they can use it to destroy the world. We don't need to look very far: Heart of Azeroth will be used to release N'zoth from his prison... and that's kinda riddiculous, since we have no idea how he could use it. It hasn't been established in lore, that the essence of Azeroth has power to release him or some shit like that. Writers just came with a cool idea of using it as a plot device, but kinda forgot to provide any information how it happens and what are the limits in power of Azerite. Whatever. Never use super-powerful artifacts as a plot device. Never. Use characters, their struggles, stories about how honor is important to the Horde; some shit about Alliance loyalty; family stuff; anything But never freaking artifacts.

Yup. D&D are on track to outdoing Mass Effect 3 in the "disappointing endings" department. Last week's episode was mindbogglingly bad. And they only have two episodes left to make up for it.

Well, that episode is the only one from this season that HAD potential to be good. It is the only one, that used dialogs to move the story forward. Unfortunetely we had 3 out of 4 episodes thatw ere purely setting the events up. And the very first 2 were... kinda for nothing.

[Jshadowhunter]

"it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals."

Talk about living in an ivory tower and looking down on peasants.

Thing is most of the things people complain about that they're not as good as they used to be is because different people are behind the wheel of the franchise now and are sailing it into an unfavorable direction.

What I would add to the list are also Marvel comics, because they're being written by the narcissistic twitter divas and tumblrites.

[Najnaj]

we're fans for a reason. they're writers for a reason.

GoT's issues now has little to do with the writers. They have the same problem as a lot of very successful media productions. Someone decided to throw huge amounts of money into making it look slick and/or impressive and forgot about the writers all together. So far the last season has cost about as much as all the previous put together and it is by far the worst.

[sarahtasher]

Oh, neat, I'm called an ivory tower intellectual for pointing out that I'm not a film making expert, and nether you are.

See, take a basic, basic, basic example, the ''trebuchets that are not on the towers''

-The same people would have complained, rightly, that in the real world, trebuchet could fire at maybe 250 metres once or twice an hour.
-The (correctly shown) parabolic trajectory of the projectiles meant that targeting moving ennemies was a lost cause…
…-Because relatively thin medieval castle walls would have been destroyed by repeated shocks atop of them, the handful of defensive trebuchets that were found were firing from the ground level of castles.

So for realism, it would have been moving the problem away.

[Najnaj]

I’ve loved every episode of Game of Thrones so far. I wouldn’t consider myself “painfully dumb”. We just have different opinions, that’s all. It’s silly to think anything else.

There is a to to look at but as for storytelling it is hard to see it as anything but just plain bad. Shit is happening haphazardly that are resolving issues from several seasons without much mention or debate.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

It boils down to the internet echo chambers and ragey behavior being easier to pull off when your keyboard warrioring instead of have a face to face. Good and bad writing is subjective to the reader/viewer. These people want to force thier opinions on you as fact. Then you also have what I call the black or white choice on the internet. It is either amazing or total shit. Again, all opinion based, but will always be presented as fact. But "the book was better" people have always existed. My mom was one even in the 80s with movies. Guess what, of course they are, they dont have to push it all into your head in a 90 to 120 minute window. Printing more words doesnt blow the budget up in a world where, yes, money matters. An extra 5 hours of cgi Ghost does sadly.

I for one do believe entertainment has slid a bit. But for me its more to blame on this major shift from it being an art to it being a business. I am not fooled, it was always about making money, I know that. But somewhere in the later 90s entertainment started to become a bottom line is all that matters industry. Movies was the easiest one to see it in. A movie being profitable wasn't good enough anymore. It had to be a blockbuster mega hit or it was considered a failure. That had gotten caught up in the rat race of always having to grow more money for the investors. So A good movie that cleared the books and brought home some bacon became total trash instead of being a movie. This leads to copy cat syndrome. Its why all these movies these days end up trying to use the same directing style or visual effects of ths last big movie. Remember bullet time in the Matrix? That shit was in every movie for 4 years after that movie. Even if it was just showing someone cutting vegetables in a dialogue scene. I mean who needs A 360 slow motion show of the chief knifle dicing the onions while the cast talks about asking a girl out or something. But why not, the Matrix had it and it was big, find a way to put it in or these Chinese investors that also sale the cameras used for it are out.

With all that said though I still just watch shows to watch shows. Movies, video games, TV, or whatever. If I like it I like it and if I don't I don't. When I don't typically its just not something I watch or play again. I don't spend my free time crusading about it. Sure, I am human and lash out from time to time. But its gone the next day. I don't start a YouTube channel or follow a hashtag around exploding about it on Twitter when I see someomes opinion that differs from mine. If they enjoy it cool. Hated it? I don't care. Life moves on.

[valax]

People have been entitled to an opinion ever since the dawn of time just like anybody else is entitled to discuss said opinions or just ignore them .
Screaming outrage at those who voice their concern is silly to me , like you must have been actively searching the topics and voluntarily read what these people had to say , I know people for example from my university classes who watched S8 of GoT and I never heard them complain about the military flaws and plot holes , I think they can draw the most entertainment from it since they don't bother scrutiny so deeply something as superfluous as a TV show , because that's all there is to it , it's a show not reality and It will all be over in a couple weeks It's not like the show remained loyal to the books they took artistic freedom to do what they wanted to show , diehard fans can always wait for the books to stick to the original vision of the original creator .

In regards to WoW the storylines have been wonky ever since the cataclysm because (except for legion maybe, the Illidan redemption didn't bother me he's always been truly a chaotic good type of character ) the original material had been consumed and they are inventing new stuff to keep the game moving forward , I appreciate it for what it is , surely there are things I'd wanted to go differently but I'm no writer and have no autority or a say in the matter so I'm not going to rage because of it .

Star Wars , meh , disney got involved and we all know what kind of stories they write ofc they will disregard the darker themes in favor of a more SJW fairytale type of writing .
It's not my cup of tea but whatever , I didn't have much hope for the sequel trilogy from the start

[Pooti]

I don't watch GoT but I had heard from people who both watch the TV show and read the books that the books are way better and whenever the TV show strays from the books, the writers of the TV show just start killing random people to try to use shock value to cover up for the fact that they are poor writers.

Having read the books and currently watching the show, to me it is pretty obvious the change in story tone from where they ran out of book content to derive the narrative.