Game of Thrones, WOW, Star Wars...you name it....fans and their ''fixes'' : a plague?

[sarahtasher]

I would add that an obscure loser pointed out pretty well the fundamental issues of depicting a real battle on screen (FTR, that's the dude that essentially invented the war movie back in Elizabethan England)

O for a Muse of fire, that would ascend
The brightest heaven of invention,
A kingdom for a stage, princes to act
And monarchs to behold the swelling scene!
Then should the warlike Harry, like himself,
Assume the port of Mars; and at his heels,
Leash'd in like hounds, should famine, sword and fire
Crouch for employment. But pardon, and gentles all,
The flat unraised spirits that have dared
On this unworthy scaffold to bring forth
So great an object: can this cockpit hold
The vasty fields of France? or may we cram
Within this wooden O the very casques
That did affright the air at Agincourt?
O, pardon! since a crooked figure may
Attest in little place a million;
And let us, ciphers to this great accompt,
On your imaginary forces work.
Suppose within the girdle of these walls
Are now confined two mighty monarchies,
Whose high upreared and abutting fronts
The perilous narrow ocean parts asunder:
Piece out our imperfections with your thoughts;
Into a thousand parts divide on man,
And make imaginary puissance;
Think when we talk of horses, that you see them
Printing their proud hoofs i' the receiving earth;
For 'tis your thoughts that now must deck our kings,
Carry them here and there; jumping o'er times,
Turning the accomplishment of many years
Into an hour-glass: for the which supply,
Admit me Chorus to this history;
Who prologue-like your humble patience pray,
Gently to hear, kindly to judge, our play.

[Okacz]

Disclaimer : I'm a very amateur author and I'm perfectly aware I suck. I have a least the common sense to acknowledge than even the authors of dino-porn erotica do something better than me (steamy tyranosaurus backdoor shenanigans ? No, I mean in general) that is getting read and published.

Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.

Imagine being treated to a meal by a professional cook, who follows all the latest cooking trends. The guy is a big deal, worked in restaurants all around the world, knows how to mix tastes and what spices to add. Yet, you are less than impressed by how his dish, "Vegan Kale Tartare" tastes. It's cooked properly, has all the ingredients mixed perfectly, yet you aren't really satisfied. You talk to the cook, telling him you'd rather eat something more meaty and flavourful, but he's just angry for the criticism, and says you don't get it, vegan dishes are trendy this season and kale is awesome. Next day you bake yourself a simple pepperoni pizza, and end up way more satisfied.

Same is happening right now. The writers are following topics and patterns that seem to be "popular" and "trending". This is why The Last Jedi (I didn't hate it, mind you) was unpopular - it used ALL the trending stuff, like bathos from Avengers, subverting the expectations from Game of Thrones, or the Light/Dark duality from, well, everything right now, with some feminism mixed in for good measure. While all those tropes are proven to be effective in many cases, and it is LOGICAL to use them (excel charts show that they bring the biggest crowds), it turns out that's not people wanted from this particular movie. They wanted Star Wars the way it was, an epic space opera, with Force being awesome, good guys doing good things and grand action scenes not being undermined every second by a shitty joke.

That's why fans sometimes DO know better from the writers. If they say S2 of GoT was amazing and S8 sucks ass, they are more right than any writer who would defend his S8 decisions by claiming he used all the right tropes and motives. Which is what they do.

[Rennadrel]

Well, I think "The story is a shitshow" is a fairly useless opinion, whereas "I would fix the story this way" is more constructive criticism.

I don't think there's any "fixing" WoW or Star Wars to satisfy the vocal minority of their fanbase, however.

I recently watched a video on youtube that provided criticism of the recent Battle of Winterfell, though, and it was pretty spot on with how awful their "battle plan" was, and some very simple changes that don't take a tactical genius to think up.

I mean, you could fix the whole Star Wars story issues by lighting the last two films on fire, deleting them from human history along with whatever shitshow is due out this year and using already existing canon stories that were created long before George Lucas sold the rights to Disney, which Disney decided to abort because it didn't fit the narrative that they've been trying to spin with their films. Despite the fact that Star Wars had tons of great lore to work around post RotJ already existing, they opted to make a bunch of shit.

[Release]

I mean, you could fix the whole Star Wars story issues by lighting the last two films on fire, deleting them from human history along with whatever shitshow is due out this year and using already existing canon stories that were created long before George Lucas sold the rights to Disney, which Disney decided to abort because it didn't fit the narrative that they've been trying to spin with their films. Despite the fact that Star Wars had tons of great lore to work around post RotJ already existing, they opted to make a bunch of shit.

Episode 8 made me very sad as Looper is a great film which shows the potential and talent was there but what we received was insulting. For me the Star Wars saga is Episode 3-6, that's it.

[Eveningforest]

I'm just sad that the whole series of GOT pretty much lost its re-watch value due to the last couple of seasons being so atrocious. I know you like to focus on battles, Sarah, my biggest gripe with the show are the mind numbingly stupid dialogues. It's as if every character dropped 30 IQ points after season 5. The earlier seasons feel like a different show entirely. I pity the actors.

[Theodarzna]

Your objectively retarded self saying that is about all the evidence you need that the show has been amazing.

Someone didn't read the books I'm guessing and is easily swayed by the nonsense spectacle.

The show subverts expectations, like my expectation for good writing.

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That is your opinion. Others might think the same of you for saying that. How can you consider your opinion a fact, anyway?

The show subverts expectations, like my expectation for good writing. Maybe people like spectacle, I'll admit it is a spectacle, with lots of twists and turns but at the end of the day there was a lot of built up character arcs and they just threw it for a loop for spectacle.

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Yup. D&D are on track to outdoing Mass Effect 3 in the "disappointing endings" department. Last week's episode was mindbogglingly bad. And they only have two episodes left to make up for it.

Dany "Forgot about Euron's fleet"..... I mean, the fact that anyone defends this. In the end D&D were shown to be hacks who without GRR Martin to hand hold them, just fuck it up. Good luck to Star Wars who hired them without fully realizing how they are such complete clowns.

Battle of Winterfell and Last of the Starks had spectacle and subverted expectations, mainly my expectations for a well thought out story.

Then again, I've been salty since the Sand Snakes got done dirty. What they did to Dorne. At that point I knew they were going to fuck it up.

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I'm far more forgiving on WoW writing than the steaming pile of shit GoT has become. Blizzard makes video games first and write stories second.

Having said that, WoWs writing is pretty bad atm, but I can look past that because it has no bearing on me enjoying some aspects of the game. GoTs writing is all it has, and its fallen apart

WoW writing is mainly comic book logic and bad fanfics by the developers (Looking at Nathanos right there especially). WoW also has boring gameplay I hear right now as well.

GoT's writing collapsed without the books, once they didn't have book material to mine from they had to invent a satisfying ending. I think also they got lazy because GoT had become the biggest show around and they knew that even if they got sloppy people would still watch by the boat load since many have invested eight years in this plot. D&D knew we'd still tune in just to see how it ends, no matter how badly done.

However, for the new Star Wars movies they were brought on to make, I bet there is some serious reconsiderations since D&D will have this blight on them forever.

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I’ve loved every episode of Game of Thrones so far. I wouldn’t consider myself “painfully dumb”. We just have different opinions, that’s all. It’s silly to think anything else.

I have bad news for you if you honestly looked at season 8 and felt it was a satisfying season, tragic news even.

I can get if people are just in it for spectacle and don't pay much attention to the story, but you'd have to dull-witted to look at the whole show and look at season 8 and honestly even season 7 was showing a lot of bad signs; and go "Yeah, this is good."

[Sunseeker]

Yeah, gotta say for once I agree with you.

Look I get it, movies have plot holes, movies have flaws, whatever. Sit back, grab a friend, eat some popcorn, and move on.

People get WAY too hung up on this kind of Superman vs. Goku kind of shit.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Doesn't give one carte blanche to start pitching wild ideas on how to fix things and then get angry when the company or team doesn't do their inane fan theory.

I mean Overwatch's weird cling-on clique that cares about whether they introduce enough characters of whatever sexuality or demographic should be evidence of that. I don't care about teams making creative decisions to be more "inclusive," but when people DEMAND it (or demand the opposite and say too many things are being done for "SJW reasons") it becomes INCREDIBLY tiresome. Let developers be developers.


Same with Star Wars, GoT, and all of those "fandoms" that fans start to think they have more control over than the writers and developers themselves.

"Oh that's not the REAL Luke, the REAL Luke would have force-thrown all of those AT-ATs into the SUN!"

Ugh.



Like people getting up in arms about "there not being gravity in space, HOW COULD THE BOMBS DROP?!?!" in a movie about magical space wizards with laser swords?

Basically that..also "how could she sneak past the huge undead army in a field of snow..."

[sarahtasher]

Someone didn't read the books I'm guessing and is easily swayed by the nonsense spectacle.

The show subverts expectations, like my expectation for good writing.

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The show subverts expectations, like my expectation for good writing. Maybe people like spectacle, I'll admit it is a spectacle, with lots of twists and turns but at the end of the day there was a lot of built up character arcs and they just threw it for a loop for spectacle.

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Dany "Forgot about Euron's fleet"..... I mean, the fact that anyone defends this. In the end D&D were shown to be hacks who without GRR Martin to hand hold them, just fuck it up. Good luck to Star Wars who hired them without fully realizing how they are such complete clowns.

Battle of Winterfell and Last of the Starks had spectacle and subverted expectations, mainly my expectations for a well thought out story.

Then again, I've been salty since the Sand Snakes got done dirty. What they did to Dorne. At that point I knew they were going to fuck it up.

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WoW writing is mainly comic book logic and bad fanfics by the developers (Looking at Nathanos right there especially). WoW also has boring gameplay I hear right now as well.

GoT's writing collapsed without the books, once they didn't have book material to mine from they had to invent a satisfying ending. I think also they got lazy because GoT had become the biggest show around and they knew that even if they got sloppy people would still watch by the boat load since many have invested eight years in this plot. D&D knew we'd still tune in just to see how it ends, no matter how badly done.

However, for the new Star Wars movies they were brought on to make, I bet there is some serious reconsiderations since D&D will have this blight on them forever.

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I have bad news for you if you honestly looked at season 8 and felt it was a satisfying season, tragic news even.

I can get if people are just in it for spectacle and don't pay much attention to the story, but you'd have to dull-witted to look at the whole show and look at season 8 and honestly even season 7 was showing a lot of bad signs; and go "Yeah, this is good."

Saying that the plot sucks is one thing (I would daresay however...what is this thing already, this platitude uttered all the time...Ah yes. ''FACTS NOT FEELINGS''. Well, usually speaking, those sort of apply to movies with fantasy and science fiction). Pretending you could do much better is another. I'm amazed that so many people who pretend to be tough guys are mentally incapable of dealing with stories that don't go the way they want (AKA ''the story sucks because it's not like the one my favorite YouTuber said it would be)

[Very Tired]

Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.

This is a prime example of an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

[Craaazyyy]

I’ve loved every episode of Game of Thrones so far. I wouldn’t consider myself “painfully dumb”. We just have different opinions, that’s all. It’s silly to think anything else.

wait, you really liked last episode? or pretty much entire s5 and 80% of s7

[sarahtasher]

This is a prime example of an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Okay, it's an appeal to authority to say ''gee, I sure don't like Georges Lucas prequels, but maybe I would not be much better than him, with my ''script'' that is about stockpiling reference to EU material that I like and is thus good while blasting EU material that I don't like and is thus bad''

[Noradin]

However, ''I would fix the story this way'' reeks of hubris and arrogance.

Your presumption to be in a position to judge this is much worse in my opinion.

[Theodarzna]

Saying that the plot sucks is one thing (I would daresay however...what is this thing already, this platitude uttered all the time...Ah yes. ''FACTS NOT FEELINGS''. Well, usually speaking, those sort of apply to movies with fantasy and science fiction). Pretending you could do much better is another. I'm amazed that so many people who pretend to be tough guys are mentally incapable of dealing with stories that don't go the way they want (AKA ''the story sucks because it's not like the one my favorite YouTuber said it would be)

Writing fanfiction isn't really a crime, writing better endings isn't a crime either. And if you are such a lousy writer that the general public likes some other persons version better, well that sucks for you. At the end of the day your appeal to "muh professionals" is nonsense, there is no such thing in the world of art and literature, anyone can be a writer.

Most of the YouTubers, reviewers, and fans have pointed out the problem with the story. Your bitch fit amounts to claiming one can't critique literature at all.

[sarahtasher]

Writing fanfiction isn't really a crime, writing better endings isn't a crime either. And if you are such a lousy writer that the general public likes some other persons version better, well that sucks for you. At the end of the day your appeal to "muh professionals" is nonsense, there is no such thing in the world of art and literature, anyone can be a writer.

Most of the YouTubers, reviewers, and fans have pointed out the problem with the story. Your bitch fit amounts to claiming one can't critique literature at all.

In addition that the usual suspects take extremely poorly criticism about stuff they like, writing ''better endings'' still reeks of someone who is not capable of accepting stuff he does not like. Rewriting ''the Count of Monte-Christo'' with ''and Edmond Dantes take a very big gun and start shooting everyone'' would be judged ''better'' by some and a travesty by others.

To take the classical example, people who keep crying for a KOTOR or TOR movie are in some sort of mental delusion that THIS would be much better than the movies….while it was a rehash with a simple plot twist, not to mention that ol' Georges never considered the Old Republic setting canon.

[Craaazyyy]

Yeah! As said, I’ve like them all. I’m really going to be quite sad when the show ends. Hopefully the next one (that’s supposed to start filming this year) is also just as good.

i mean its gonna be sad when the show ends, but last episode was objectively awful

[Orby]

Another horrible creation of the internet and social media, the entitled generation and thinking we can tell a story better than the creators, back seat writers we have all become.

We are entitled to our opinions of the story but it's when we start telling the writers how to do their job that's when it really reached peak idiocy :P

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Disclaimer : I'm a very amateur author and I'm perfectly aware I suck. I have a least the common sense to acknowledge than even the authors of dino-porn erotica do something better than me (steamy tyranosaurus backdoor shenanigans ? No, I mean in general) that is getting read and published.

Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.

You know, there's a lot of fans that got into working on movies because they did think they could do a better job than the "professionals" and a lot of them were right.

[Theodarzna]

In addition that the usual suspects take extremely poorly criticism about stuff they like, writing ''better endings'' still reeks of someone who is not capable of accepting stuff he does not like. Rewriting ''the Count of Monte-Christo'' with ''and Edmond Dantes take a very big gun and start shooting everyone'' would be judged ''better'' by some and a travesty by others.

To take the classical example, people who keep crying for a KOTOR or TOR movie are in some sort of mental delusion that THIS would be much better than the movies….while it was a rehash with a simple plot twist, not to mention that ol' Georges never considered the Old Republic setting canon.

Ugh, talking to you always feels like a waste of time since you just go into your rather predictable rantings about "usual suspects". I often wonder who you are talking to, who is your audiance for this post.

Could you for once just actually talk to someone?

[Exkrementor]

Anyone objectively defending the direction of Game of Thrones the TV show or WoW for that matter is probably painfully dumb.

There is a point where bad writing is obviously bad writing.

Incompetence shall not be rewarded with blind loyalty.

Sorry for this edgy quote.


Nothing is save from criticism. If yomething sucks you have to tell the maker that it sucks or otherwise nothing will change.

Maybe if Hollywood or HBO or Blizzard would do their jobs right their shit wouldnt suck this much. But what do I know? I am just the consumer that pays money for things that suck.



Also I feel this post can use some suck. suck