Trump's 25% on Chinese goods will hurt American Consumers.

[PC2]

I think that is very untrue we have already proven it untrue, democracy does not work for every culture or nation we have left nations in ruins due to this obsession of making everyone into a copy of the US. There are far more failures of us doing this than successes so how about we don't do that .

Could you give a single example of a culture where democracy would not be an improvement over non-democracy?

[NED funded]

But, that talks about him reneging on a deal pushed by Trump. If it were not for Trump, there would be nothing to renege on.

The deal was agreed by delegates of both countries. Trump didn't just jump in and say here is the deal sign it, negotiations gathered and agreed to certain terms. The CPC ended up backing down and Trump is doing the right thing by increasing tariffs and punish this behaviour.

[Felya]

Could you give a single example of a culture where democracy would not be an improvement over non-democracy?

For one... Trump and Bush wouldn’t be president in US. Yeah... let’s bring democracy to America!

[Doctor Amadeus]

Honestly I think smart people who seen this coming braced for it months ago.

[Draco-Onis]

Could you give a single example of a culture where democracy would not be an improvement over non-democracy?

Middle East, Russia, South America, several parts of Southeast Asia democracy was introduced and society crumbled so badly that people actively voted for dictatorship that was equal or worse than the previous. Can it eventually work? yes but the people have to not only want it but understand it along with the responsibilities. You want to slap democracy on everything that has led to disasters and tragedy look at Myanmmar more recently the country is most likely going to vote for a military authoritarian leader next major election and the guy is a monster.

[Felya]

The deal was agreed by delegates of both countries. Trump didn't just jump in and say here is the deal sign it, negotiations gathered and agreed to certain terms. The CPC ended up backing down and Trump is doing the right thing by increasing tariffs and punish this behaviour.

Well... he did jump in with his trade war and demand a resolution. You also cannot blame China for reneging, if you spend just 15 min on Trump’s twitter. Maybe Trump being an empty suit against North Korea, was a lesson to their neighbor.

[PC2]

For one... Trump and Bush wouldn’t be president in US. Yeah... let’s bring democracy to America!

Omg it's obvious I'm referring to voting and representation and not just direct democracy. Republics are good too.

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Middle East, Russia, South America, several parts of Southeast Asia democracy was introduced and society crumbled so badly that people actively voted for dictatorship that was equal or worse than the previous. Can it eventually work? yes but the people have to not only want it but understand it along with the responsibilities. You want to slap democracy on everything that has led to disasters and tragedy look at Myanmmar more recently the country is most likely going to vote for a military authoritarian leader next major election and the guy is a monster.

None of those failed because of democracy though. They failed either because they didn't choose good policies or because of violent people.

[NED funded]

Middle East, Russia, South America, several parts of Southeast Asia democracy was introduced and society crumbled so badly that people actively voted for dictatorship that was equal or worse than the previous. Can it eventually work? yes but the people have to not only want it but understand it along with the responsibilities. You want to slap democracy on everything that has led to disasters and tragedy look at Myanmmar more recently the country is most likely going to vote for a military authoritarian leader next major election and the guy is a monster.

Can you go on the examples on South America?

[Felya]

Omg it's obvious I'm referring to voting and representation and not just direct democracy. Republics are good too.

A liberal democracy, isn’t a republic. While China is a republic, just a communist one.

[Draco-Onis]

None of those failed because of democracy though. They failed either because they didn't choose good policies or because of violent people.

Why did the people get violent? why didn't they choose good policies? simple answer they weren't ready for democracy more importantly they didn't know what it was.

[Felya]

None of those failed because of democracy though. They failed either because they didn't choose good policies or because of violent people.

Do we just continue fighting until they make the right choice? Out of fear they will fight us... of course...

[Draco-Onis]

Can you go on the examples on South America?

Do you really need me to give you examples of why South America is a shit show due to US intervention?

[Zan15]

Which is cool, because the US isn't in a geo-political competition with any of those countries.

So you are happy Trump is going to be creating jobs in other countries while costing us jobs and money on items we need??

Seems odd you support such a globalist idea

[PC2]

A liberal democracy, isn’t a republic. While China is a republic, just a communist one.

Either democracy or republicanism is good. China can call themselves whatever they want, but until they can vote(and recall) the leader of the executive branch and the legislators then then they don't have a real republic.

[NED funded]

Do you really need me to give you examples of why South America is a shit show due to US intervention?

I'm talking about a case in which democracy was a disaster. Because that sub-continent was military dictatorship after military dictatorship and the dictators didn't exactly get elected.

[TigTone]

Idk if it was posted before, but democracy can not work if people are uneducated.

The Uneducated are easily manulpiated and will lead to the collapse of any democracy.

[Vash The Stampede]

For one... Trump and Bush wouldn’t be president in US. Yeah... let’s bring democracy to America!

I find it alarming that people hate Trump so much in that they want Democracy removed. Are you people insane? You want to go back to Kings/Queens and Tyrants?

Middle East, Russia, South America, several parts of Southeast Asia democracy was introduced and society crumbled so badly that people actively voted for dictatorship that was equal or worse than the previous. Can it eventually work? yes but the people have to not only want it but understand it along with the responsibilities. You want to slap democracy on everything that has led to disasters and tragedy look at Myanmmar more recently the country is most likely going to vote for a military authoritarian leader next major election and the guy is a monster.

Were they better with a dictator? Obviously not. Without Democracy a society falls into slavery. If that society happens to be capitalist with no democracy, then God help them.

It will benefit the top, hurt the bottom, Trump and MSM will claim it as a economic victory until report a week later shows how much it hurt the middle and poor class. By that point another blind fold that promises to fix all the other issues will be in place.

Unless Trumps Tariffs are on food, I don't think we have much to worry about. Also nobody is going to buy something that costs 25% more because that's not how people buy things. If an air-conditioner costs $200 before the Tariffs and now costs $250, I just won't buy that brand air-conditioner. If I can't get what I want brand new then I'll just go second hand, which is Tariff free. The big losers here are the businesses who are trying to push this cost over to consumers. Sales have been down all over since holiday season of 2018 and it hasn't gotten better. If people aren't buying new things then and the cost goes up, then people really aren't buying new things.

In the end the businesses will eat the cost because they never priced products based on supply and demand anyway. The prices are always based on what you're willing to pay for.

[Draco-Onis]

I'm talking about a case in which democracy was a disaster. Because that sub-continent was military dictatorship after military dictatorship and the dictators didn't exactly get elected.

Oh yes they are voting for dictators who want to bring that back in South America because democracy is doing so well /s.

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Were they better with a dictator? Obviously not. Without Democracy a society falls into slavery. If that society happens to be capitalist with no democracy, then God help them.

Yes they were because democracy plus capitalism (who go hand in hand since the US is pushing it) in those environments lead to rampant corruption, poverty, civil unrest and revolutions. Let them get there on their own capitalism by itself is a disease it needs strong government to regulate it.

[Breccia]

While we've been discussing this in another thread, worth noting: this is part two. There's a third round of tariffs on the way.

[PC2]

Yes they were because democracy plus capitalism (who go hand in hand since the US is pushing it) in those environments lead to rampant corruption, poverty, civil unrest and revolutions. Let them get there on their own capitalism by itself is a disease it needs strong government to regulate it.

Even if you hate capitalism that is not an excuse for China to withhold democracy from the people. If fascists or communists is what the people want they should still have to vote them in each cycle.