“You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”― Malcolm X
I watch them fight and die in the name of freedom. They speak of liberty and justice, but for whom? -Ratonhnhaké:ton (Connor Kenway)
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
“You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”― Malcolm X
I watch them fight and die in the name of freedom. They speak of liberty and justice, but for whom? -Ratonhnhaké:ton (Connor Kenway)
So how many pro lifers are jacking off and using condoms? Millions upon millions of potential babies dead.
Waste of time.
... don't play stupid
So she was opposing vaccination for her child, not herself? That's not exactly anywhere near the pro-choice territory as it's not her body.
No, they can't. The kid is already born.
You get it though, the difference, right?
No, because it's a different issue all together. God, you're thicker than usually.
Ok, since you can't get the difference into your head I'm not going to waste any more time.
Let me give you different framing.
Ultimately, vaccination is about more people living. Preservation of humans as species. The process of vaccination is just one of the means to that end - which is seen as desirable by itself regardless of other considerations.
Banning abortion also, ultimately, results in more people living. People doing their part in preserving and multiplying themselves, just like in case of vaccinations.
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This is also Sharia Law. Yes has been stated multiple times, but this is based heavily on religious beliefs. Ironic in many ways since you mention Sharia Law to Republicans and its one of their biggest boogie men ever.
I also believe it's forcing their religious beliefs onto OT hers. It's definitely based on Christian faith and not going too deep but never stated in the Old and New Testament. More based on some sect making this law thousand of years when life was different.
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
But according to America's Best Christian their God loves abortions:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1128512833304629248
“You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.”― Malcolm X
I watch them fight and die in the name of freedom. They speak of liberty and justice, but for whom? -Ratonhnhaké:ton (Connor Kenway)
Even more ironic when Alabama is one of those states to write laws banning Sharia. But, of course, it specifies that those are "foreign" laws that infringe its citizens' constitutional rights...because domestic laws that infringe its citizens' constitutional rights are just fine.
Well yes. Remember it's not bad Sharia Law when it's your Sharia Law.
Another good point is they are not even proactive in birth control. Abstinence? That is a joke. So they go back to this Bronze Age thinking of keep having more children.
Not too mention as stated the party wants this doesn't give a shit about the. It’s not even simple argument of welfare, but actually supporting the person with education, job opportunities, etc., to be a productive member of society.
Democrats are the best! I will never ever question a Democrat again. I LOVE the Democrats!
...plenty of people want/don't things at different levels, you might not get everyone but you don't have to get 100% for improvement (just like with vaccinations). It's about changing balance of incentives.
Bill also specifically excludes #2. No penalty to (potential) mother at all, it's all on abortion provider.
The bill would make performing an abortion at any stage of pregnancy a felony punishable by up to 99 years in prison. The only exception would be when the pregnancy endangers the woman’s health.
There would be no punishment for the woman receiving the abortion, only for the abortion provider.
Also, abortions for medical reasons aren't actually "countless"; there should be statistics on that.
Looking at 2017 statistics, there was exactly one medical emergency out of 6768 abortion total.
For comparison, there were 58941 total births that year; not having any abortions would (potentially) increase births by more then 10%.
Well, they aren't.There is no high moral ground for abortion. People should abandon the follies of an outright ban(we gonna knock on every door of a woman that didn't carry to term? Pregnancy registries?) and move from that position and understand all aspects of why women get abortions. Most abortions occur in the 1st 6 weeks(like 90+ percent). The rest are mainly due to MEDICAL REASONS that no politician or citizen not involved should ever get a say in.
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More specifically, if you want to make this about basic human rights, appealing to a fetus' hypothetical right to life (emphasized because the fetus isn't a person and doesn't actually have any rights) doesn't make a case against abortion. It only argues that abortions should remove the fetus intact, and allow it to expire naturally as a result. That's the most you can ever get out of the "right to life" bullshit.
Because nobody's right to life ever trumps the right to bodily autonomy of someone else. Under any other circumstances. And there is no reason to change that position with the specific case of abortion rights.
There is a case to be made that the exact limitations surrounding abortion's availability might need to be compromised in order to secure that right more generally.
Was listening to NPR the other day and there was a fairly thoughtful interview regarding the abortion debate and Democratic electability. Given the polling there is some suggestion that advocacy should be towards a European style model - cheap and readily available in the first trimester, but prohibited in all but extreme cases otherwise. It's not ideal, but it's a decent baseline which may be easier to sell.
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Bodily autonomy is the question at play, not life.
Originally Posted by Marjane Satrapi
It is often argued that vaccinations should be able to bypass that. And refusing them is clearly about bodily autonomy issues.
Or do you disagree?
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Vaccination against their will is clearly "using their fluids" for purpose of herd immunity though, i don't see how you can see one as violation and other not.
There can be overriding concerns, sure, but bodily autonomy is clearly violated there.
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