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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    And how should this "anarchy"be defined?
    And provide an example from history please.
    I'll go with Proudhon for this one, instead of Connal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre...dhon#Anarchism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dsonsion View Post
    I'll go with Proudhon for this one, instead of Connal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre...dhon#Anarchism
    Not one example to be found though to show how "well" it works.
    But we've plenty to see how well it goes swirling down the hopper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Not one example to be found though to show how "well" it works.
    But we've plenty to see how well it goes swirling down the hopper.
    Anarchy is not a stable state it always is simply the herald of another form of power structure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Has lost its way View Post
    ... anarchy might be a needed requirement.
    Anarchy is a symptom, a sign something desperately needs attention in a society b/c (at least) one of the basic foundations of a healthy society is out of balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Not one example to be found though to show how "well" it works.
    But we've plenty to see how well it goes swirling down the hopper.
    Yeah, there hasn't been an extended and long lasting society like that, but there still exist small communities that live by that principle.
    If anything, the military prowess of the anarchist communes in the last century shows how much people can do with do little when fighting for a chance at real freedom.

    Dismissing it because it hasn't happened doesn't seem good enough for me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    This is an illusion...
    This enlightened nihilism is seems to me little an attempt of being right with the least effort, more than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Not nihilism, psychology. The illusion is that you think you are your own master...
    So we're slaves and not masters? We have some form of control over our lives, even though we're very far from understanding free will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Has lost its way View Post
    Anarchy is not a stable state it always is simply the herald of another form of power structure.
    Yeah it's obvious that some structure and hierarchy is the best. Just not in the extreme case of fascism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    And how should this "anarchy"be defined?
    And provide an example from history please.
    This is anarchy:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_in_Spain

    Although, more people think this is anarchy and they would be...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purge

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    Not nihilism, psychology. The illusion is that you think you are your own master...
    You can impact RNG, by narrowing the number set. Do you want a tower in your name? That’s a wide number set... want a sandwich? That’s a very narrow number set. In any case... it can roll titan forge and buy the best sandwich you ever eaten.

    Also... You are farming a boss at 10 kills per hour. You can switch servers to a less populated one, to have less camping competition. You can get better gear, so you kill the boss faster. You can buy a carry to kill the boss for you, until you get the drop. RNG remains the same, but you are increasing the amount of rolls to get the outcome you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    So we're slaves and not masters? We have some form of control over our lives, even though we're very far from understanding free will.
    Free will = self awareness / RNG

    Edit: Just to emphasize the quote in my signature.

    Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for.

    Every damned thing you do is the self awareness, it gets divided by the RNG of the price...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Free will = self awareness / RNG
    Hmm, in my view "random" is just a concept we created as a placeholder for our ignorance.

    Is the next card drawn in a shuffled deck random, or is it simply a result of us not having complete knowledge of the history of the cards?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Hmm, in my view "random" is just a concept we created as a placeholder for our ignorance.
    Random is chaos... that’s all... it’s pissing in to wind.

    Is the next card drawn in a shuffled deck random, or is it simply a result of us not having complete knowledge of the history of the cards?
    Knowledge of history divided by RNG. You are far more likely to know the card, if you study the math behind it. As in, the better you are at counting cards, the more likely you are to know the outcome. You can then still roll titanforge and not get kicked out of the casino, keeping your money... or you get the lowest roll and get banned in all of Vegas. But... your odds of winning have increase by a lot.

    Edit: FYI... chaos is very good in moderation. Do it on Saturday, so you are not too fucked up for work on Monday...
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    An Anarchist utopia should be the end-goal of a society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    An Anarchist utopia should be the end-goal of a society.
    No because there can't be a problem-free society. As long as people have conflicting ideas then problems will arise. Which is good because we can't even conceive of how to make progress without problems.
    Last edited by PC2; 2019-05-18 at 12:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    An Anarchist utopia should be the end-goal of a society.
    Completely impossible . what is Utopia for some is dystopia for another.

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