If Nagrand is in such a great shape...

[wanax]

all your other points are good.
but outland is indeed falling apart. the weat fell apart by a slight touch.

and dont be so harsh on Garrosh, yes he was a "hitler"... sadly.
but it is Sylvanas who is a total "stalin/mao".

Garrosh BECAME a Hitler type. Remember in Stonetalon he threw Krom’gar off a cliff for for bombing innocents and children. He talks about Saurfang teaching him the ways of the Horde in Northrend

[Alex86el]

Garrosh BECAME a Hitler type. Remember in Stonetalon he threw Krom’gar off a cliff for for bombing innocents and children. He talks about Saurfang teaching him the ways of the Horde in Northrend

Yeah. He was a true orc until they turned him evil. I liked him.
Was he a warmonger? sure. But an honorable one. The orc way. The horde way.
What happned to it?
Now we got an even worse leader in charge, who unleashes blights, or executes forsaken civilians "just in case".

[Aucald]

The grains we have have been bred over years to be more resilient. This could presumably be a wild type of grain that Thrall farms

Who can really say, yeah. But the fact that is appears to be falling apart just due to the wind in one scene seems to imply that it's not healthy.

[Combatbutler]

The grains we have have been bred over years to be more resilient. This could presumably be a wild type of grain that Thrall farms

Wild grain does not normally crumble to this degree either.

[wanax]

Who can really say, yeah. But the fact that is appears to be falling apart just due to the wind in one scene seems to imply that it's not healthy.

Yeah... after watching again the grain itself does crumble not just fall off the plant. The islands seem to be in motion more than I would have thought too so Outland could really be on its last legs.

[Feril]

I think Nagrand is being sustained by the energies unleashed in Draenor's collapse, but in the end it will end up like Netherstorm. It's just the chaotic effect of the energies that maybe make it look like it's healthy, but it's more like a bright flame before the gas runs out.

Draenor is dead, but some parts of it are still, let's say, warm.

[MikeBogina]

Because the Orcs helped save the world numerous times...

[Fistfighter]

This has been the second cinematic where Blizzard has got Nagrand wrong.
First they made Nagrand foggy with no hills or terrain in the Garrosh cinematic and now they made Nagrand WITHOUT THE SPACE SKYBOX.
WHY?? It's such an iconic zone, most people put Nagrand as their favorite zone, but Blizzard can't ever nail it.

[Syegfryed]

you can do a dumb meme about troll land all you want

but the night elves were dark trolls, it's their land since that time.

only the dark trolls around the Well of Eternity became night elves, the elves drive other races out and conquer their land as well, lets stop the hypocrisy

[formerShandalay]

only the dark trolls around the Well of Eternity became night elves, the elves drive other races out and conquer they land as well, lets stop the hypocrisy

All elves are former trolls (evolved or devolved, depending in who you ask ), but yes, they proceeded to expand their territories everywhere. For their 'tribe', against the other 'tribes'.

[Syegfryed]

All elves are former trolls (evolved or devolved, depending in who you ask ), but yes, they proceeded to expand their territories everywhere. For their 'tribe', against the other 'tribes'.

then they should stop trying to get the moral high ground when other races do to then what they did before to others

[Powerogue]

Thrall never actually lived there, he was born on Azeroth. He's living in nostalgia towards a bygone era even as the world quite literally crumbles around him.

I'd imagine wheat turning to dust when you try to harvest it makes survival on Outland pretty tricky.

To say nothing of Saurfang and other veterans, for whom Outland isn't a place of nostalgia for the good times, but a terrible reminder of the worst part of their history.

[SirBeef]

TIL that people do not understand metaphor's nor can comprehend what is actually said. The wheat is a metaphor for wha'ts left of Draenor/OL. Surafang even says what Thrall has now is not sustainable. How is it hard to not understand what is going on?

[formerShandalay]

then they should stop trying to get the moral high ground when other races do to then what they did before to others

You know, I think so too and I also think at least the Nightelves ingame have not been very different in that regard than for example most trolls. You encroach on our lands, you die. Or at the very least get thrown out forcefully. It's the same story every time, no matter which race you look at.
But if you look at something from the perspective of one of those races, it's a different thing. That's what makes the discussion heated among fans of the respective races too, because of course someone looking from, for example a Zandalari perspective would say the Nightelves are assholes for taking so much land away. But the Nightelves would say, they simply flourished better than the Zandalari, had more people and needed more land, which they took. Same thing with Orcs and Nightelves at the point the orcs arrived in WC3. The orcs needed something and took it, thereby encroaching on Nightelf territory. Nightelves being territorial, Orcs being somewhat desperate for what said territory held... none of them very diplomatic, of course there was fighting. Both of their natures made it happen. That's kind of the core of Warcraft and also that you can (and in the RTSs at least had to) experience it from both sides and put yourself in both sides' shoes. If that's not your thing, that's ok, because not everyone has to like everything, but when you defend your side without putting yourself in the other side's shoes you can't actually fault other people for doing the very same thing on the opposing side^^

[cparle87]

Oh so you are saying these warmongering toughguys are just cowards who are just chosing the low hanging fruit, eh?

Sorry, but they brought this on themselves. They are invaders, easily corruptable, bloodthirsty animals.

They had Aszhara uncontested since MoP. They could have build a huge harbor, established a trade fleet, made a living from trading and fishinig, but it seems actual labor is beneath them. Rather have some genocide, because that's just fun.

Um, what does that have to do with anything we were talking about? You said why don't they move to AU Draenor. I'm telling you the numerous problems that would have to be overcome, including an army of insane light-crazy draenei.

[Chickat]

I want Saurfang to be Warchief and to be what Garrosh should have been.

Strong but fair.
Honorable.
Willing to fight for his people's survival, but not starting pointless wars.
He's also wise. He's old enough to know when something doesn't look right. I think Garrosh was too arrogant. That was his downfall.

[Stardrift]

Sounds much like the native Americans in Canada lol

Simple answer. Too lazy to. They'd rather squat.

Infracted.

[Soon-TM]

ZOMG those bars from OL Nagrand's soundtrack at the beginning... So much nostalgia, especially when I learn that the whole Outland is decaying/disintegrating inexorably. I thought that the Cenarion Circle/Expedition had been able to contain, maybe even partially reverse, the decay, but it seems that I was wrong