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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Naramag View Post
    Oh, now this here is just bad writing. Please wait until I can get on my high horse and explain in detail why you are oh so wrong and should never procreate. ;-)

    Isn't sad we have to spell it out? I really don't get it. I'm into almost every franchise a "good" nerd is supposed to be... but I can't understand all this obsession. Maybe I have to hold it like Roger Murtaugh...
    How is what I wrote bad writing? And I never said people have to be dicks about it.

    I only numbered them so people didn't have to read a wall of text not to be an asshole like you are implying.

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    Why can't these folks just write fanfiction like normal people.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why can't these folks just write fanfiction like normal people.
    That. There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing fanfics (I would snidely add that those people are so good, surely they can write THEIR setting too), forcing rewrites of scenes you did not like is pathetic.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    That. There is absolutely nothing wrong with writing fanfics (I would snidely add that those people are so good, surely they can write THEIR setting too), forcing rewrites of scenes you did not like is pathetic.

    Everyone has an opinion as they say.

    Seems like a lot of viewers, millions of them, say D&D have done a bad job writing the show.

    If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd say the writing is "rushed". They should've spent a lot more time showing us readers how the characters arrived at their decisions. I don't buy Dany's slaughter of King's Landing for one, but if D&D had spent a lot more time explaining how Dany came to her decision, It might've not been so jarring.
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  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Everyone has an opinion as they say.

    Seems like a lot of viewers, millions of them, say D&D have done a bad job writing the show.

    If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd say the writing is "rushed". They should've spent a lot more time showing us readers how the characters arrived at their decisions. I don't buy Dany's slaughter of King's Landing for one, but if D&D had spent a lot more time explaining how Dany came to her decision, It might've not been so jarring.
    Those people surely can do better than them, isn'it ?

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Everyone has an opinion as they say.

    Seems like a lot of viewers, millions of them, say D&D have done a bad job writing the show.

    If I had to sum it up in one word, I'd say the writing is "rushed". They should've spent a lot more time showing us readers how the characters arrived at their decisions. I don't buy Dany's slaughter of King's Landing for one, but if D&D had spent a lot more time explaining how Dany came to her decision, It might've not been so jarring.
    Some aspects of the last 2 seasons do feel rushed. However Dany has been threatening the entire show to burn shit. This shouldnt come as much of a shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    Some aspects of the last 2 seasons do feel rushed. However Dany has been threatening the entire show to burn shit. This shouldnt come as much of a shock.
    Dunno how to tell you this chief, but again; going from "will I be a good queen, or a bad queen" to "I'm Super-Hitler, the Hitler that can Fly." in the space of a few episodes is bad writing.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    we're fans for a reason. they're writers for a reason.
    Fans aren't writers? You mean they're not writers for the show/movies, right? There are thousands of writers that watch these shows and movies. Are you saying that no one can do a better job?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Why can't these folks just write fanfiction like normal people.
    Yeah, how dare anyone critique anyone else!
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  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Disclaimer : I'm a very amateur author and I'm perfectly aware I suck. I have a least the common sense to acknowledge than even the authors of dino-porn erotica do something better than me (steamy tyranosaurus backdoor shenanigans ? No, I mean in general) that is getting read and published.

    Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.

    By "mere fans", you of course mean the most important part of ANY media....the people who consume it? GTFO with your gatekeeping. If people want to be critical of content, they very well can be.
    READ and be less Ignorant.

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Yes, in a completely silent setting they could hear a drop of blood when they were actively looking for prey. We also had Arya sneaking by them completely silently for the rest of that time...even getting away from that table without a sound after the blood dropped. With a dragon roaring, a battle still going on, and all the nearby wights in the Godswood on "standby mode"...the situation is different. We also had Arya sneak up on Jon in the exact same place 2 episodes prior...so we already know she is capable of moving silently even on Snow.

    All you are doing is being a nitpick. And not a spectacularly good one. You get so focused on the "they heard a drop of blood" you forget that she was actually moving quieter than even that.
    Except that "completely silent setting" was separated only by a thin wall of the building from the slaughter just outside, with some of the windows being open too boot. Now contrast it to godswood that was separated almost completely by the high outer wall of the entire castle from the rest of it due to it being a secluded retreat for prayer and rest (which was also the reason why it could serve as a place for Bran to wait for the Night King uninterrupted).

    And yes, we had Arya sneaking on Jon in an earlier episode and sneaking through the library for the most part. Imagine that, I did not forget that and you pulled me doing so out of your rectum. But her running at the Night King does not exactly constitute sneaking, does it now? So yes, the situation is indeed different. Except the differences are only in my favor, so I'm not sure why you'd shine light on them and shoot yourself in the foot in the process.

    I'm not nitpicking, I'm actually paying attention to the show. Whereas you are trying to handwave its errors away. And doing a piss-poor job at that, because all the ammo you've got is fallacious and ass-backwards.
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    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    Yeah, how dare anyone critique anyone else!
    What they are doing is not "critiquing".

    Again; if you dislike how a story turns out you do what any self respecting writer would do and write revisionist fanfiction about it. Just ask Milton.
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    The world is not divided between East and West. You are American, I am Iranian, we don't know each other, but we talk and understand each other perfectly. The difference between you and your government is much bigger than the difference between you and me. And the difference between me and my government is much bigger than the difference between me and you. And our governments are very much the same.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    Some aspects of the last 2 seasons do feel rushed. However Dany has been threatening the entire show to burn shit. This shouldnt come as much of a shock.
    She threatened to kill unarmed civilians that have surrendered?

    She's only ever threatened one type of person while actively defending and risking her life for the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    What they are doing is not "critiquing".

    Again; if you dislike how a story turns out you do what any self respecting writer would do and write revisionist fanfiction about it. Just ask Milton.
    Yeah, not everyone is being critical with their critiques, but there are are a lot that are. To say they aren't is just a lie on your part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodarzna View Post
    Anyone objectively defending the direction of Game of Thrones the TV show or WoW for that matter is probably painfully dumb.

    There is a point where bad writing is obviously bad writing.
    Definitely agree with this point.

    As for the OP's main question, people have opinions that they are stating...so what? Take it, take part of it, or just leave it.

    TBH, again directed at OP, I've always been offended by the stance that consumers are arrogant because they state how they would do it. You don't have to be a professional to know what you like and don't like. I find "professionals" that have this attitude to be the truly arrogant ones and, therefore, not particularly professional.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    By "mere fans", you of course mean the most important part of ANY media....the people who consume it? GTFO with your gatekeeping. If people want to be critical of content, they very well can be.
    It's ''GATEKEEPING'' to point out that Dickens, Conan Doyle (and co.), you name it, did not had to deal with people who cried because they did not liked their endings ?

    (Conan Doyle is deliberate, Sherlock Holmes being the fist character with a fandom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    Definitely agree with this point.

    As for the OP's main question, people have opinions that they are stating...so what? Take it, take part of it, or just leave it.

    TBH, again directed at OP, I've always been offended by the stance that consumers are arrogant because they state how they would do it. You don't have to be a professional to know what you like and don't like. I find "professionals" that have this attitude to be the truly arrogant ones and, therefore, not particularly professional.
    Not liking : not arrogant

    Saying you would do better : EXTREMELY arrogant.

  15. #175
    These days it's bloody impossible to read a sensible thread about anything due to arsehats voicing negative mantras, probably picked up from some streamer using it as clickbait.

    Sure, I'm all for criticism, and can easily see flaws in all 3 franchises mentioned, but find it annoying when entitled kids fill up 3/4's of a discussion thread with the same arguments and statements. It is an echo chamber, and most of the people doing it, do it to be cool and edgy. No individual thought process behind it at all.

  16. #176
    There is an age old argument for people saying ''they could be better and fix it''

    Do it.

    Especially for books. It's easier to be published that it have never been in human history. Surely, you can do much better and faster than GRR, isn'it ? Oh, wait, creating a setting is hard. Oh wait, your characters are rip-off of someone else characters, because fanfiction is not actual writing. Oh, half of your fanbase of three people hate your endings and propose to fix them.

    (This is coming from someone quite conscious that my fantasy setting which is mostly about indulging in fantasies of brutally killing hundred of transparent equivalent of Fascists per section sucks balls. Disliking aspects of GRR prose (notably the gratuitous sex scenes) does not mean I think I could do better. I can't do better. Period)

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Dunno how to tell you this chief, but again; going from "will I be a good queen, or a bad queen" to "I'm Super-Hitler, the Hitler that can Fly." in the space of a few episodes is bad writing.

    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    She threatened to kill unarmed civilians that have surrendered?

    She's only ever threatened one type of person while actively defending and risking her life for the other.


    "Lannister, Targaryen, Baratheon, Stark, Tyrell they’re all just spokes on a wheel. This one’s on top, then that one’s on top, and on and on it spins crushing those on the ground. I’m not going to stop the wheel, I’m going to break the wheel."

    "They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one."

    "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who wronged me! We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground!"

    "I will take what is mine, with fire and blood, I will take it."

    Add to that her failures in Mereen insurrection and assassination attempt.

    "People learn to love their chains."

    Its not a shock

    She was wronged by Cersei and looking at the red keep i wouldnt doubt she remembered what it was like her time in Mereen. The people of Kings Landing didnt exactly accept her with open arms like they did in the other cites she saved, like how she was told by her brother. All she saw were more people who would attempt to overthrow her. Also the fact that her claim is weaker than Jons who everyone stands behind. Also the fact that all her advisers betrayed her or were killed. Her only choice to rule is through fear now, what better way than to burn the city so they fear you.

    How many times has Ser Barriston, Jorah and Tyrion talked her out of irrational actions?
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  18. #178
    It's a fair point to make. "Fixing" is a waste of money. But how out of touch, how disconnected are authors from their audience where there is no communication up until release when it all comes flooding out at once? What is the alternative? What does taking it too far look like, does it look like J.K. Rowling making fan edits to the lore? When did Star Wars go from being fun to being propaganda?

    Specifically when people critique and offer fixes to the World of Warcraft it's because there are some serious design problems and underlying issues that are hamstringing the game.

    Less to the point Blizzard recently "fixed" Jaina Proudmore's chest in HS. But why? For who? Will that really help feminism? Will Jaina Binding her breasts stop a rape from happening? or did they do it so they could sell HS to China? And ask yourself, do I really want to submit to a foreign power when the local one is already pretty terrible?

    I feel bad for the creators yet at the same time they did it to themselves by creating a foul little adolescent petty drama about psuedo-european politics, it was bound to attract the worst people.

    With this latest controversy Game of Frones will ascend and take it's place as the worst fandom of all time, beating out Sonic and MLP.

  19. #179
    Quote Originally Posted by sarahtasher View Post
    Disclaimer : I'm a very amateur author and I'm perfectly aware I suck. I have a least the common sense to acknowledge than even the authors of dino-porn erotica do something better than me (steamy tyranosaurus backdoor shenanigans ? No, I mean in general) that is getting read and published.

    Simply said, few things (except Nazis and the CSA) irritate me than YouTube videos of fans ''fixing'' movies, comics, videogames, books, TV shows, anime…This is not to say that X,Y or Z is without flaws, but it always struck me of sheer arrogance of people, who are mere fans, be so sure of themselves that they are persuaded that they would do better than professionals.
    I've invested 10 years in GoT, and (up until a couple weeks ago) planned on buying a Director's Cut Boxed Set if one were to be released. This last season has so ruined the story for me, I probably will never watch it again, after the last episode airs. As of right now, I am going to watch that last episode, simply because there's just 1 left to go. I no longer feel a connection to the characters I watch grow over the past several seasons. I am no writer, but I am also not some "mere fan", and you'd be wise to keep that in mind if you intend to gather a following over any stories you plan on publishing. Don't shit on your audience for the sake of "shock".

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    Fans aren't writers? You mean they're not writers for the show/movies, right? There are thousands of writers that watch these shows and movies. Are you saying that no one can do a better job?
    just a general sentiment man, not every comment in the world needs to be picked apart and scrutinized.

    it all comes down to "stay in your lane".
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