Sam is Randyll Tarley's oldest son. The reason why Randyll was going to kill Sam and forced him to join the Night's Watch was because he did not want his eldest son, whom he believed to be weak and unsuitable, to inherit the lordship.
Which is why Dany missed a great opportunity to make Sam the lord of the Reach when she was doling out lordships to people. There is no more need for the Night's Watch, so Sam should really be Lord Tarley right now.
I'm not arguing that I can't see her going mad queen. I'm saying, with the information we were given in 70 episodes, there is not enough sufficient reason for Dany going full mad queen in the way D&D portrayed it.
As I said earlier, I can maybe be swayed that burning them alive was too far, but it's a grain of salt compared to the mountain of evidence of her being the opposite of the mad queen.
'Game of Thrones' finale is almost here and fans aren't happy
"Game of Thrones" fans are fed up. This final season was supposed to be a climax of brilliant storytelling, a time when all the pieces in this sprawling, intricate Westeros puzzle finally snapped into place.
Instead, fans are grumbling on social media about rushed storylines, unexplained loose ends and beloved characters doing things that don't feel true to their nature.
Last week's 80-minute episode took a sudden, dark turn by making longtime heroine Daenerys Targaryen a mad war monster who used her lone surviving dragon to waste hundreds of thousands of innocent lives.
With one episode left before the series ends, that's a lot for fans to take in. More than 800,000 of them have signed a Change.org petition urging HBO to re-make the final season. (HBO is owned by WarnerMedia, CNN's parent company.)
"David Benioff and D.B. Weiss have proven themselves to be woefully incompetent writers when they have no source material (i.e. the books) to fall back on," says the petition, referring to the two "Thrones" showrunners and the source material by author George R.R. Martin.
Some fans feel these episodes have betrayed seven seasons of painstaking character development. And they would know. They've grown to know these characters so much they probably could predict their rising signs if it came down to it.
That's how fierce the "Thrones" fandom is.
The show isn't as progressive as it once seemed
Some fans believed that "Game of Thrones," with its themes of overcoming oppression and sexism, would be the series that broke destructive social cycles.
A show filled with so many strong women seemed to bring a message of female empowerment.
Instead, it's become a lesson of leadership fitness, with undertones suggesting women fail as rulers because of their emotions.
If it was only the female characters that were butchered, then this article MIGHT have had a point. However, considering that they destroyed or killed practically every single major character other than Sansa and Arya, the above in relation to sexism is just complete and utter bollocks
A petition? Oh my... Fans have become so entitled these days. I know what HBO's answer will be: f*ck off! And the answer of some actors might be the same. After nine years working on the same show, they might want to do something else. Some of them have dedicated more or less half of their lives to it!
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
Yeah, I really do feel the same way. I also think that there could be another season, and season 7 could start with landing in Westeros and be about planning the startegy for conquest and sowing the fear among the westerosi houses. Season 8 all about the threat to the North and joining them in the Great Battle. And then season 9 to push Dany character to the edge of sanity and all about the Last War.
I also think that Littlefinger and Varys played a chess game. But Littlefinger plotted in his own intrest and Varys in the intrest of the realm. I would see LF joining Cersei cause when he get to know that dragons can be killed and Dany is losing the war. And Varys on the other hand supporting Dany as the best claim to the throne, and then realizing that she might not be the hope for the realm after all when he sees her mental downfall after losing her most loyal advisors. So he could switch the side to Jon. Treason is a good finish for his story, but that was actually presented poorly these last 2 seasons.
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I'm honestly just surprised that if D&D were so fed up with it that they were arguing with George RR Martin years ago about how many seasons there would be (GRRM wanted 10-12, D&D said 7-8 tops), why didn't they begin work on hiring new people to helm the ship? Transition to new enthusiastic leadership for the series that could work with Martin on bringing the same quality years to come?
Instead they just wanted out so I guess that's it for GOT. I'm not really upset with GOT, but it definitely was rushed, big time, and needed many more seasons to properly flesh out.
Man, a petition to change the last season is dumb as hell.....
....you'd need to do at least the last 4.
Yes, and with new directors, the show would have taken a new direction (pun intended) and fans would have complained anyway... The main problem of the show was that they have run out of source material. Weiss and Benioff could have been the best writers out there, only G.R.R. Martin could write like G.R.R. Martin, because he's the one who knows his characters best.
It does feel rushed, though. I sometimes wonder what the show would have been like if they sacrificed a little on lavish sets and costumes and spectacular CGI to focus more on the story and characters and have more episodes by season. I mean, one of my favorite TV shows of all time is "I, Claudius" with the excellent Derek Jacobi, and it was all done in studios! So, it could have been something between that and the motion picture quality levels we got in Game of Thrones. They could have made the whole story in 4 or 5 years with 20-24 episodes each season (so that Bran's actor wouldn't have to shave...). Of course, there would have been less explosions and flying dragons, less epic battles... But Tyrion and Olenna's witty lines would have remained the same.
"Je vous répondrai par la bouche de mes canons!"
The problem was, D&D were never good writers to begin with. Seriously, look at their resume pre-GoT. They were handed the reigns of a "niche fantasy adaptation" by HBO who probably didn't think it would get off the ground, at least not to this extent, since fantasy is always a gamble. And they were able to adapt it reasonably well with GRRM's help (he consulted on early seasons, and even wrote an episode a season), and that's about all they've been able to do.
The Tarly's just betrayed Highgarden and wiped them out. You even hear Dickon mention how he killed people he grew up with. They got what they deserved and were lucky to even get a choice. Their betrayal made no sense in the first place, another example of poor writing to rush the story forward.
Not that I agree with them in our world, Dany had a legit reason for everything she did, until burning the women and children in KL.
Even what Dany just did, doesn't even make her a mad Targaryen. If you think it does, then you don't know what Targaryen madness is.
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