Shitposting. Strap me in.
War crimes, but only for those at the top of them.
None. Once someone is incarcerated and not a threat anymore, killing them is little but revanchism that I do not condone.
If you kill once and it happens second time. For this must be death penalty
None. I do not support any form of death penalty under any circumstances.
It's restoring some of my faith in this hell site to see how many other people are completely against the death penalty.
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There are simple problems with the death penalty.
1> It costs too much. It's cheaper to keep the felon in prison for their life. So cost-savings are right off the table.
2> There are constant concerns with humane execution. Modern methods still don't get it right. If it's not humane, it's an egregious horror show.
3> Innocents get executed. The death penalty should be off the table in any case where there is not absolute, 100% certainty of guilt. Not "beyond a reasonable doubt". Absolutely no doubt. "Caught them in the middle of the crime and they freely confess" certain. If they claim they have a secret twin there's no evidence of (not even birth records), that's enough doubt to take capital punishment off the table. No innocent executions.
4> Prison is about reformation and rehabilitation. If we're talking a sentence that has an end, capital punishment should never be an alternative. Only if they can never be released back into society.
5> And lastly, it's letting them off easy, given the above. I would rather a monstrous character like this spend 30 years in prison, being studied by psychiatrists and the like, than to give them an easy out that skips their punishment.
There simply isn't a justifiable basis for the death penalty. The only advocacy is as straight-up vengeance porn, with a dash of personal sadism to taste.
Why does the pronunciation of the words it stands for even matter? It's irrelevant. There's no rule saying that the pronunciation of letters in an initialism have to match their pronunciation in the words they stand for.
Guy who invented it gets the right to chose how to pronounce it. He's right, it's his invention.
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I support it as an alternative for life imprisonment. Nothing otherwise.
Originally Posted by Simon Bolivar
I don't support it.
You have to ask what the purpose of the justice system is. Is it punishment? Sure, we punish criminality to deter illegal and immoral behavior, but for the worst criminal offenses, punishment breaks down in two places. First, harsher sentences don't really act as deterrence past a certain point. There are probably exactly zero criminals that think to themselves "you know, this murder would totally be worth 25 years to life to commit, but totally not worth it if I could get killed by the state." Secondly, we have an eight amendment that forbids cruel and unusual punishment. There is a constitutional endpoint to how much the severity of punishments can scale up according to the severity of the crime.
Ok, so the purpose of the criminal justice system rehabilitation? Ideally, we'd make sure that as many as people can be made into productive and law-abiding citizens again, but what about psychopathic murderers? Serial rapists? Domestic terrorists? Most people I think would agree that there are certain criminals that either can't be rehabilitated, or don't deserve a second chance, so this too breaks down in the most extreme cases.
So what then is the function of the justice system when it comes to the worst cases? If we can't punish unrepentant killers proportional to their crimes, and we don't believe or wish to rehabilitate the most extreme criminal perpetrators, I would posit that the purpose of the justice system is to protect the rest society from those that would harm it. Once you do this, via a life sentence, the role of the justice system is fulfilled. To push for a death penalty beyond that would be only to seek vengeance.
"We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-Louis Brandeis
Rape (actual rape, not the 19 year dude with 16 year old girlfriend statutory rape cases you have in the US)
1st and 2nd degree Murder
Torture with extreme bodily harm.
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The methods of execution in the US are extremely questionable though. The drugs they use for lethal injection are concerning as you hear stories about people being conscious for longer than they should. If it were up to me and I had to find a painless way to kill death row inmates, I'd inject the death row inmate with an extremely lethal dose of fentanyl (like 50+mg of pure fentanyl). I've seen many people die/ nearly die from synthetic opioids overdoses and from what I can gather, once they go unconscious it's lights out. It looks like an agonizing death watching them as their body struggles to breath from your perspective but if you talk to someone who survived a fentanyl overdose, they're tell you they didn't feel a thing.
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"I feel bad for Limit , they put in so many hours only to come in second place" - Methodjosh
On a related note; Serial killer who took 10 women's lives executed in Florida
A serial killer who terrorized Florida with a murderous spree that claimed 10 women in 1984 was put to death Thursday, his execution witnessed by a woman who survived one of his attacks and aided in his capture.
Bobby Joe Long, 65, was pronounced dead at 6:55 p.m. Thursday following a lethal injection at Florida State Prison. Long had no last words, simply closing his eyes as the procedure began, witnesses said.
The killer terrified the Tampa Bay area for eight months in 1984 as women began showing up dead, their bodies often left in gruesome poses. Most were strangled, some had their throats slit, and others were bludgeoned.
Law enforcement had few clues until the case of Lisa Noland, who survived one of Long's attacks. She witnessed Thursday's execution from the front row.
Just 17 in 1984, Noland was abducted by Long outside a church that year. He raped her but ultimately let her go free. She left evidence of his crimes on the scene and gave police details leading to his capture. Long confessed to the crimes, receiving 28 life sentences and one death sentence for the murder of 22-year-old Michelle Simms.
Noland positioned herself in the witness room where she hoped Long would see her.
"I wanted to look him in the eye. I wanted to be the first person he saw. Unfortunately, he didn't open his eyes," she said. "It was comforting to know this was actually happening."
She said she began to cry after she left the room once it was over.
"The peace that came over me is a remarkable feeling," she said.
Treason, Espionage, War Crimes, assassination of public officials (judges, prosecutors, elected officials).
Nothing else.
I will just say this having worked in the corrections field. I would be very liberal w/the death penalty because rehabilitation for many is a fairy tale.
That being said though unless the court system is changed it isn't possible as it costs more to execute someone then to just incarcerate them.
I am not pro Flight, I am pro a better more engaging game. I just took the pro flight stance cause I knew Blizzard couldn't deliver. Looks like I was right