It isn't. Vocal left wing extremist minorities just screech loudly.
It isn't. Vocal left wing extremist minorities just screech loudly.
It's just in the US and it's a minority of people.
All countries and people did atrocities in the past.
Take Africans for instance, during the slave trade, many tribes went out and captured people from other tribes to sell them as slaves to the Europeans.
You can find examples like that for everyone at some point or some time. So it's utterly idiotic that white people should have "white guilt" and such. Not only is that racist to begin with, but we should strive to recognize everyone and let race not be a factor. If you keep focusing on race, you keep fostering racism.
"When Facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." - Unknown
The pot calling the kettle black...
...ever heard of a place called Rome? The hearth of what was the culture of Europe at that time and which more than a millennia earlier had a population in the 500'000 range replete with water piping and public baths? Some estimates even push its population to 1'000'000.
Its successor Constantinople displayed similar population numbers at the peak of the Eastern Roman Empire, and in 1500 was past 200K reaching back the half a million league under the reign of the Ottomans.
And you have absolutely no clue about the the state of urbanization in Europe in 1500, just Paris, although not the most sanitized city, had a population in the 200k range at that time, same for Venice.
Even the sovereign of Spain at that time, Charles V/Carlos I of Habsburg had in his domains large cities such as Antwerp, Bruges, Brussels, Milan, Naples and Palermo which were all in the 100000-250000 range. Even in Spain proper, Barcelona was 70'000 and the recently conquered Granada had a population of at least 70'000 in 1500.
And those are numbers for late XVth to beginning of XVIth Century, several of those Cities and others grew considerably over the course of the XVIth Century.
As for the largest city in the World at that time, it is widely accepted that it was Beijing, at 600-1'000K inhabitants. A place Europeans of that time knew about, since they were aiming to reach it when they stumbled on the Americas...
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What makes you think this is part of the western culture? Asians seem to be quite more adapt in the guilt/apology game
The shadowy Daughter of Urthona stood before red Orc,
When fourteen suns had faintly journey'd o'er his dark abode:
His food she brought in iron baskets, his drink in cups of iron:
Crown'd with a helmet and dark hair the nameless female stood;
The shadowy Daughter of Urthona stood before red Orc,
When fourteen suns had faintly journey'd o'er his dark abode:
His food she brought in iron baskets, his drink in cups of iron:
Crown'd with a helmet and dark hair the nameless female stood;
Because it's a great platform for exploitation and abuse.
Kind of like Salem witch trials. If you question me, you're a witch.
No idea why people feel guilt for something they didn't cause. *shrug*
Not sure why you think guilt is a large part of Western culture, I don't think that's true at all.
Seems like it is the opposite to me. Look at Germany. They are world champions at acknowledging horrible events of the past and condemning it. You have people condemning the actions of their fathers or grandfathers if they were Nazis, like they former foreign minister Sigmar Gabriel. They don't feel shame or guilt over what some other people who also happened to have been Germans did in the past. This allows them to be enlightened by history, rather than engage in revisionism in order to try to avoid and repress it.
Compare that to Turkey where the Armenian genocide is a super-sensitive issue, where the government and most Turks refuse to recognize it. It's as if they feel guilty for what some other Turkish people did in the past, and therefore dismiss that it ever happened, claim that it is a smear on the Turkish people and such. Even though they of course have no reason to feel that way. They should just speak honestly about history in order to be enlightened by it, not run from it.
In this comparison it seems like the country who allowed themselves to be enlightened by history rather than try to re-write it is more open and free and characterized more by humanism compared to the other which is less open, less free and more authoritarian.
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look at your past, see what you did wrong, frown and get mad about what you did, make sure you try to never do it again, or never letting anyone else do it again, improvise and try to make stuff better than what happened before.
TA DAH, you have advanced to the next level! you see now?
I don't think it's as pervasive as we often think. It's just echoed constantly on the news and online so white/western guilt feel a lot more common than it actually is.
And it doesn't happen as often in other cultures probably because they're a lot less racially diverse as western societies so they feel far less need to apologize in order to appease minority segments of their population. In a society that's 90+% one race, nobody really gives a shit if a group making up 1-2% of the total population is bitter about some injustice from a hundred years ago.
never heard about guilt before in decent newspaper or as a topic in real life. just some internet blabla
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they aided because their other choice was death.
My grandfather in Ukraine could choose to either join the SS which saved his families live, gave food and secuurity or get shot with the jews in the pit.