Last edited by PosPosPos; 2019-05-21 at 01:37 PM.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
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Yep. I do hate them. They're not people. You enable them all over this forum yourself in a way that would make MLK'S letter from a Birmingham jail sigh loudly, and I'm a little torn on your personhood and whether or not you're actually an alt-right troll given the particulars you post, but for now I'm letting it slide.
If they'd like to be people, there's a process for that. They just have to fill out a form and show normal human thought and normal human rationalizations. That doesn't mean they have to think the things I do; there are plenty of people on the right I disagree with but that also qualify as people. But "people" who look at places like T_D or 4chan and think, "hey, that's a place of facts and reason," they're clearly missing something important.
Now, this doesn't mean I think we should shoot them into space or put them against a wall. I don't think my cats or my dog are people, but I'd argue that a person that hurts a dog warrants a harsher sentence than someone that hurts a person. But I also wouldn't trust dogs to have responsibility or make decisions that affect other people.
Not to fight CryotriX's battles for him, as he's got that covered, but you're talking about a guy who staunchly hates corporations and is fairly anti-capitalist, just from a "from memory" of him. That guy, the alt-right troll?
Hell, I have a better claim to that title.
Last edited by PosPosPos; 2019-05-21 at 05:26 PM.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
So because one thinks people ought to be able to say what they wish, that's apologizing? One doesn't have to agree with the speech in question in affirming that the speaker has the right to it.
I typically think of rabid anti-capitalism as a far left point, but perhaps that's just me. Seizing the means of production and all that jazz doesn't invoke imagery of white robes or Cousin Bubba livin' off the grid from the gub'mint.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
You didn't answer my question.
Where, in the law, does it state that they aren't allowed to? Barring the narrow exception in US case law that strips protection in cases where the speech is 1) designed to invoke imminent harm and 2) is likely to cause such harm? Bradenburg v. Ohio, for the case reference to that.
Because it's not necessarily illegal, it means it must be right, is what you are saying here. I think it's pointless to argue with someone who wholly lacks a moral and ethical compass, who can't tell right from wrong without it being part of law.
Also, relevant comic.
P.S. Note I never once brought up legality...that was a red herring by you.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
As long as they have a constitutionally protected right to speak, you don't have the grounds to silence them. You don't have to agree with them; I surely don't. But they have the right to speak. Silencing them because you disagree with their viewpoint is anathema to a democratic principles.
Yes, I do realize being Nazi is currently "constitutionally protected" in the US. That doesn't mean it's right, or they should exist.
Thankfully, I live in the bigger part of the developed world where it's not protected to be a Nazi. As it should rightfully be.
Which just distorts right and wrong - because if anything, not silencing these people who hate democracy, is anathema to democracy, thanks to the tolerance paradox.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future
You can argue "should" all day long. It doesn't particularly interest me. I'm grateful my government doesn't decide what viewpoints are permissible to have.
Free exchange of ideas is one of the underpinnings of democracy, and I, for one, don't trust the government to arbitrate what is and isn't permissible. To silence a group is to disenfranchise them, which is directly counter to democracy. So no, I don't think it's an alt-right position to advocate for freedom of speech.
Depends on what you mean by platform. YouTube, Facebook, whatever...all have the right to ban alt-right accounts at will, as they currently are, as far as I am aware. There is no protection for them on that front, as there is no governmental action (obviously). But I think there's a gulf of difference between a company saying "we don't want you here" and the government saying "you cannot say that."
Last edited by Reaper0329; 2019-05-21 at 06:03 PM.
I confess I had to look that term up. I had never heard it prior.
Providing I'm following correctly, out of Eco's fourteen points, does silencing them not run afoul of "Disagreement is Treason," "Obsession with a plot," and arguably "Fear of Difference?"
I appreciate the new term; it's an interesting read, and I will admit I see some mirrors. I'd read more in-depth if I weren't at work.
BTW, for you and Pos: we've gotten grossly off topic. Should we, perhaps, start a new thread?
Last edited by Reaper0329; 2019-05-21 at 06:15 PM.
"My successes are my own, but my failures are due to extremist leftist liberals" - Party of Personal Responsibility
Prediction for the future