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  1. #341
    "At last! I've been traveling several minutes to this dungeon's entrance, so now I'm able to use my keyboard! I couldn't do that in that wrecthed husk of a game that is current WoW. I'm so thankful, my new lifelong friends! Let's enter this mysterious portal and face the perils that await us!"

    Dungeon is halfway done by this point.
    Once upon a time... the end. Next time, try twice upon a time.

  2. #342
    Just ran my first BFA dungeons yesterday. (Classic got me interested in WoW and i need to pass the time somehow)

    Joining dungeon. Noone says hi except me. Noone says anything through the whole dungeon. Dungeon is over. Someone added us back to the dungeon finder.
    We instantly get to the next dungeon. We play through the dungeon. Tank leaves the group. Everyone leaves the group. Noone says anything.

    Maybe i was playing with Bots.

  3. #343
    Quote Originally Posted by Murthag View Post
    And here you are still wrong becouse by choosing the first option you will never learn how to properly play you character so on you a 400 in realty is probably a 350 becouse you don't know how to play with it.
    While I definitely agree with you, here's the problem. A massive chunk of the WoW player base in today's game doesn't care if they can properly play their characters or not. They just want the high item level score because way too much of getting into endgame content depends on it. The whole mentality that because they bought the game they deserve all the same stuff as those that have put in the effort and time to learn their class, learn the dungeon/raid boss mechanics, learned to communicate within a group function has been catered to. While Effort = Reward should have been stuck to, as rightly so, instead Blizzard caved to the whiners that wanted all the gear just for "showing up". Its even slipped into the real world with crap like participation trophies and such!

  4. #344
    Quote Originally Posted by Nozuka View Post
    Just ran my first BFA dungeons yesterday. (Classic got me interested in WoW and i need to pass the time somehow)

    Joining dungeon. Noone says hi except me. Noone says anything through the whole dungeon. Dungeon is over. Someone added us back to the dungeon finder.
    We instantly get to the next dungeon. We play through the dungeon. Tank leaves the group. Everyone leaves the group. Noone says anything.

    Maybe i was playing with Bots.
    Account created in nov 2008 - Classic got you interested in WoW so you gave BFA a try ...... something doesn't add up here.

    In vanilla there was a high chance that you wouldn't even do most of the dungeons before max level.
    I remember that back in vanilla I only did Deadmines, Stockades while leveling, with Stratholme and BRD at the very end of it. Missed all the other dungeons because they were so far out of the way.
    No one was chatting while doing them, by your logic that meant everyone else have handed the controls over to the bots .....

    Looking for a working online signature generator .....

  5. #345
    Quote Originally Posted by dcc626 View Post
    thing is, there wil certainly be more players on live than in the beta and lots of those people will be assholes. because the game is full of them. and classic will be free.

    enjoy.
    That's my point, the final game will be open to retailers who just want to "give it a try", bringing their toxicity with them and potentially poisoning the well before it's even got going. The beta, which was mostly limited to long-time/early WoW players, has shown that the social aspect could easily be good again if the people playing actually appreciate a proper MMO. I just hope the casuals and BfA kids drop out quickly when they realise it's too demanding for them.

  6. #346
    Do to the rotation, you get 5-6 sec between skills, so yeah, might as well socialise a bit. And since white damage is a good chunk of damage anyway, you can either socialise even more, or go back yourself a sandwich, what ever is better for you.
    MMO-Champion, once the place to get WoW News, now the home of the haters and their clickbait and doomsaying threads

  7. #347
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowmatrix View Post
    Players took communication out so players are the ones that will have to put it back in.
    Yeah no, splintering realms through sharding fucked communication, no point investing time in relations when its just for a moment.

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
    That's my point, the final game will be open to retailers who just want to "give it a try", bringing their toxicity with them and potentially poisoning the well before it's even got going. The beta, which was mostly limited to long-time/early WoW players, has shown that the social aspect could easily be good again if the people playing actually appreciate a proper MMO. I just hope the casuals and BfA kids drop out quickly when they realise it's too demanding for them.
    Classic and retail are so different. People used to the fast paced quick reward system in retail will leave before lvl 10

  9. #349
    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
    That's my point, the final game will be open to retailers who just want to "give it a try", bringing their toxicity with them and potentially poisoning the well before it's even got going. The beta, which was mostly limited to long-time/early WoW players, has shown that the social aspect could easily be good again if the people playing actually appreciate a proper MMO. I just hope the casuals and BfA kids drop out quickly when they realise it's too demanding for them.
    You do realize a fair chunk of players in Vanilla were casuals to begin with ? If they drop quickly, you won't have a "populated game world" that most of classic enthusiasts seem to miss.

    And you going "BFA KIDS THIS" and "BFA KIDS THAT" in each post makes me think you're an underage person with some sort of a complex about it instead of an "intelligent adult".

    Not to mention calling people who play current wow "retailers". Are those players selling something that you call them retailers ?

    Looking for a working online signature generator .....

  10. #350
    It probably won't improve communication in retail, but anyone who plays classic for more than a novelty for a week or two will communicate in classic - yes. You can't play without communication.
    I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
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  11. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    That is retail, not classic! In classic everything is running slower, and youll get nowhere with the go go mentality of retail, except the occasional wipe fest
    You say this as if no one knows how to run content that's been known about for 15 years... Good players will breeze through everything. People who can't do heroic instances now won't be able to do anything in classic. But that's to be expected. Bad players are bad. No amount of communication will help them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    liberalism is a right wing idealogy.

  12. #352
    Quote Originally Posted by Kill Broccoli View Post
    Maybe. To me a min maxer is someone who does everything to have the best possible result in terms of raiding/pvp and i put them in a separate category from people who love every aspect of the game. I'm expecting the first group to stick around much less than the second.

    It's just a different time. 10+ of information / experience / theorycrafting are going to affect the game. At the time there was sperimentation involved, people were discovering stuff. Now since blizz clearly stated the game will be the same, all this is absent and there is a clear path to get the most out of your char. Much much quicker to achieve.
    Min/maxing in classic will take years anyway due to the content release and the nature of it. I’m a min maker who will be grinding on classic long after bfa is gone and forgotten

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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    You say this as if no one knows how to run content that's been known about for 15 years... Good players will breeze through everything. People who can't do heroic instances now won't be able to do anything in classic. But that's to be expected. Bad players are bad. No amount of communication will help them.
    That’s just not how it is in classic due to gear distribution. 3 pieces of gear for 40 players means it’ll take awhile to be king of raiding then. It isn’t like live. No amount of time or effort can help in that regard. No m+ to fill the gaps

    I can’t wait

  13. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    That’s just not how it is in classic due to gear distribution. 3 pieces of gear for 40 players means it’ll take awhile to be king of raiding then. It isn’t like live. No amount of time or effort can help in that regard. No m+ to fill the gaps

    I can’t wait
    Ugh, I played in classic and you don't have to min/max it. I played from the very start and cleared every raid. I ended classic and started TBC with the shield that you get from a quest in Eastern plaguelands. Meaning I had that thing throughout the entire experience of classic. Of course I was in full tier 3 otherwise... But that's because it was easier to get gear in Naxx compared to the other raids. My brother ended classic with full Dungeon Set 2. You can min/max if you want, but it wasn't needed back then, so I seriously doubt it's needed now.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    liberalism is a right wing idealogy.

  14. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by Murthag View Post
    And every aspect of it its still tied to mythic.

    You can meet certain enemy only on the harder difficulty.

    Even for a lore standpoint. If you don't beat the keepers of ulduar on hard mode you cannot face algalon. If you did not beat Cho'gal in HC on twilight bastion sinestra would still be alive. Ragnanor was killed by the raid with the aid of Cenarius, Malfurion and Hamul (in normal he goes back in his lava pool saying "too soon). The Sha of fear was beaten in his realm. Ra Den would have not been freed if you don't beat HC lei shen.... And there are still more examples is valid only if applied to mythic.


    You beat the content only if you do it in mythic
    Sure, but I think that's more the exception than the rule.
    Mother pus bucket!

  15. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    You say this as if no one knows how to run content that's been known about for 15 years... Good players will breeze through everything. People who can't do heroic instances now won't be able to do anything in classic. But that's to be expected. Bad players are bad. No amount of communication will help them.
    They will not! why you might ask ? because of gear amongst other things. Hell a RFC run at appropriate level can take up an hour! Wc can be a night mare with guys wearing greys! you do know that simple things such as beign in all greens is a rare sight before lvl 20 ? etc. etc. Hell on my shaman the first green i got was at lvl 10 a measly maul and then I decided to hop on my mage a make me a green robe with int and stamina so no, all depending on luck you wont breeze through it.

  16. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    Min/maxing in classic will take years anyway due to the content release and the nature of it. I’m a min maker who will be grinding on classic long after bfa is gone and forgotten

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    That’s just not how it is in classic due to gear distribution. 3 pieces of gear for 40 players means it’ll take awhile to be king of raiding then. It isn’t like live. No amount of time or effort can help in that regard. No m+ to fill the gaps

    I can’t wait
    Sigh...so bad, so clueless, so adorably terrible and delusional.

    Back then the majority, which i bet you included didnt have a clue and run whatever shit dungeon.

    Its 2019, there has been lists of items and BiS stuff since 2009 from private servers.

    Do you know what this means? It means people will run the same dungeon until they get their drop.

    It also means, since you are completely clueless, that because of the research of 15 years, its known that some items for certain specs, carry over till BWL, so MC items are irrelevant trash, apart from weapons, mostly Dire Maul items.

    Vanilla had 1 good thing about items, the item level scaling was low, and half the items carried over for two more raid tiers averagely.

    So no, you didnt have 3, which was 2, gear for 40 players, you had, after BWL released an insane amount of items, if you werent part of the cesspool, which you were, to choose from and be decent.

    Sorry, but you are wrong, or maybe you arent wrong, you were just never decent.

    It took my friend rerolling from Warlock to Rogue, a Sunday to reach averagely same gear level as his guild, know why? Cause they cleaved ZG in 1h, they cleaved MC with 15man in 2 hours AQ20 afterwards, how many items is that exactly of averagely the same equal level?

    The good thing with Vanilla, is that when you arent in a shit guild, you can reroll an alt in a day, compared to today where it requires a month of grinding, whether its the Back legendary in MoP/ring in WoD/Artifact and neck in Legion and BFA.

    Sure, it will have phases, after the first 6 months gear will be so much for any decent player you can reroll in a day.
    Last edited by potis; 2019-05-27 at 02:13 PM.

  17. #357
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    Min/maxing in classic will take years anyway due to the content release and the nature of it. I’m a min maker who will be grinding on classic long after bfa is gone and forgotten

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    That’s just not how it is in classic due to gear distribution. 3 pieces of gear for 40 players means it’ll take awhile to be king of raiding then. It isn’t like live. No amount of time or effort can help in that regard. No m+ to fill the gaps

    I can’t wait
    Exactly, and if you are truly unlucky, hell you'll be disenchanting half of it while waiting for your chest piece or what ever to drop. Not to mention disenchanting all of that druid gear that no one wants, after the couple of druids have been decked out or shaman gear on ally or int plate on horde Truly magnificent, especially since a couple of crafted items or a blue are BIS till the end of classic so youll be farming those dungeons like a madman trying to get that one piece or the two axes for hunters etc.

  18. #358
    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    They will not! why you might ask ? because of gear amongst other things. Hell a RFC run at appropriate level can take up an hour! Wc can be a night mare with guys wearing greys! you do know that simple things such as beign in all greens is a rare sight before lvl 20 ? etc. etc. Hell on my shaman the first green i got was at lvl 10 a measly maul and then I decided to hop on my mage a make me a green robe with int and stamina so no, all depending on luck you wont breeze through it.
    I never had a problem with gear in classic. There are pieces that will last you years. The gap between a quest blue and something from BWL wasn't that big. We were running some bosses in fucking level 40 green gear just for the resist. You guys don't know what you're talking about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    liberalism is a right wing idealogy.

  19. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    I never had a problem with gear in classic. There are pieces that will last you years. The gap between a quest blue and something from BWL wasn't that big. We were running some bosses in fucking level 40 green gear just for the resist. You guys don't know what you're talking about.
    Resist gear is something entirely different and was primarily used for AQ/Naxx for the odd fight. We were talking about "breezing" through the game like it was something you could do blindfolded. I think you glasses are tinted, and you have forgotten that mobs can tear you a new one if you were unlucky, and pulled too many. Sadly I do not have a picture of my latest gigle on a P server which literally had corpses stacked through out a cave from people that were unfortunate to pull one too many or having a respawn pop up when you were at 20 hp from the last fight.

  20. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    You say this as if no one knows how to run content that's been known about for 15 years... Good players will breeze through everything. People who can't do heroic instances now won't be able to do anything in classic. But that's to be expected. Bad players are bad. No amount of communication will help them.
    I dont think thats the point here. Everything goes slower in classic compared to in retail. And that goes towards every kind of player. Bad, good or whatever.

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