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    Memo proves GOP plan to gerrymander elections to favour whites

    Deceased G.O.P. Strategist’s Hard Drives Reveal New Details on the Census Citizenship Question

    Thomas B. Hofeller achieved near-mythic status in the Republican Party as the Michelangelo of gerrymandering, the architect of partisan political maps that cemented the party’s dominance across the country.

    But after he died last summer, his estranged daughter discovered hard drives in her father’s home that revealed something else: Mr. Hofeller had played a crucial role in the Trump administration’s decision to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census.

    Files on those drives showed that he wrote a study in 2015 concluding that adding a citizenship question to the census would allow Republicans to draft even more extreme gerrymandered maps to stymie Democrats. And months after urging President Trump’s transition team to tack the question onto the census, he wrote the key portion of a draft Justice Department letter claiming the question was needed to enforce the 1965 Voting Rights Act — the rationale the administration later used to justify its decision.

    Those documents, cited in a federal court filing Thursday by opponents seeking to block the citizenship question, have emerged only weeks before the Supreme Court is expected to rule on the legality of the citizenship question. Critics say adding the question would deter many immigrants from being counted and shift political power to Republican areas.

    The disclosures represent the most explicit evidence to date that the Trump administration added the question to the 2020 census to advance Republican Party interests.

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    Mr. Hofeller’s exhaustive analysis of Texas state legislative districts concluded that such maps “would be advantageous to Republicans and non-Hispanic whites,” and would dilute the political power of the state’s Hispanics.

    The reason, he wrote, was that the maps would exclude traditionally Democratic Hispanics and their children from the population count. That would force Democratic districts to expand to meet the Constitution’s one person, one vote requirement. In turn, that would translate into fewer districts in traditionally Democratic areas, and a new opportunity for Republican mapmakers to create even stronger gerrymanders.

    The strategy carried a fatal flaw, however: The detailed citizenship data that was needed to draw the maps did not exist. The only existing tally of voting-age citizens, Mr. Hofeller's study stated, came from a statistical sample of the population largely used by the Justice Department to verify that the 1965 Voting Rights Act was ensuring the voting rights of minority groups.

    “Without a question on citizenship being included on the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire,” Mr. Hofeller wrote, “the use of citizen voting age population is functionally unworkable.”

    Roughly 16 months later, as President-elect Trump prepared to take office, Mr. Hofeller urged Mr. Trump’s transition team to consider adding a citizenship question to the census, the transition official responsible for census issues, Mark Neuman, said last year in a deposition in the Manhattan census lawsuit.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/u...-hofeller.html

    I seem to recall discussion of the census question a year or so ago, and whether the added questions were intended to disenfranchise non-whites. We now know that's a fact.
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    In b4 this is closed for being a "race thread".

    I mean, fuck we all knew this was what the GOP was doing, but here come the usuals....
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    Got to mention that they want the right type of whites to. They dont want thems dam libruls vote'n either.

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    Both democrats and republicans gerrymander. It's been going on for over 200 years.

    I'm not sure how you make it fair, maybe an impartial computer algorithm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post



    Both democrats and republicans gerrymander. It's been going on for over 200 years.

    I'm not sure how you make it fair, maybe an impartial computer algorithm.
    "Both sides."

    Except the data shows that Republicans do it far more often than Democrats. Oh, and Maryland lost their case.

    A computer algorithm is exactly how you make it fair.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/part...mocrats-2017-6

    http://election.princeton.edu/2012/1...es-do-it-myth/

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    Wait.. so California wants illegals to be counted for voting representation even tough illegals can't vote. If "immigrants" aren't citizens then they shouldn't be counted to determine how many votes that state gets in the electoral college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    "Both sides."

    Except the data shows that Republicans do it far more often than Democrats. Oh, and Maryland lost their case.

    A computer algorithm is exactly how you make it fair.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/part...mocrats-2017-6

    http://election.princeton.edu/2012/1...es-do-it-myth/
    till someone whines the programmers are all librul west coast elitists

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    Wait.. so California wants illegals to be counted for voting representation even tough illegals can't vote.
    cause the census is a count of all the people living there, citizen or non citizen(which covers more than people not here legally)

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Luniz View Post
    till someone whines the programmers are all librul west coast elitists

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    cause the census is a count of all the people living there, citizen or non citizen(which covers more than people not here legally)
    So liberal politicians want more illegals to flood our country to grab power with the new census.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    So liberal politicians want more illegals to flood our country to grab power with the new census.
    Basically.

    This is the whole endgame of these delusional liberals. They know their deranged voters won't breed so they have to import foreign livestock to do it for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    So liberal politicians want more illegals to flood our country to grab power with the new census.
    Do you have evidence of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Basically.

    This is the whole endgame of these delusional liberals. They know their deranged voters won't breed so they have to import foreign livestock to do it for them.
    Well, if that were the case, then surely you guys can show all of these illegals voting...

    We'll wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    So liberal politicians want more illegals to flood our country to grab power with the new census.
    Being on the census doesn't let you vote, it literally is there to count how many people are in an area.

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    What a fucking loaded bull of a title. Republicans != Whites. There are a great number of fine non-white citizens of the USA who aren't brainwashed to be victims by the left.
    On Topic: No shit Sherlock, this isn't anything new.

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    1. Democrats were absolutely OK with Gerrymandering when they ran congress for 40 years.
    2. Once they felt they lost the congress for good, they started to complain about it.
    3. When they won back congress in 2006, they thought they would run it for another 40 consecutive years so they did nothing about gerrymandering.
    4. Then when they lost the House in 2010, they started to complain about gerrymandering again.
    5. Now that they have the House again, the complaints are becoming less and less.

    The bottom line is, its difficult to stop gerrymandering because the party in power doesn't care to stop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enigma77 View Post
    Basically.

    This is the whole endgame of these delusional liberals. They know their deranged voters won't breed so they have to import foreign livestock to do it for them.
    Not like the slaver vermin lionized by the alt-right, isn'it, who wanted their slaves counted for electoral weight, while sending the ghost costume rats to make sure they don't actually vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raqubor View Post
    What a fucking loaded bull of a title. Republicans != Whites. There are a great number of fine non-white citizens of the USA who aren't brainwashed to be victims by the left.
    On Topic: No shit Sherlock, this isn't anything new.
    What do you call the LEFT ? People to the left of Gengis Khan ? When your kind scream constantly that even the Nazis are not even right wing enough for you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynarii View Post
    Being on the census doesn't let you vote, it literally is there to count how many people are in an area.
    and more people = more representation at the federal level. that's the point that was made extremely clear before you ever posted. read more, talk less, you'll be better off and so will everyone around you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenJesus View Post
    So liberal politicians want more illegals to flood our country to grab power with the new census.
    Of course, it would be stupid to point out that the issue is that virtually no one that is not a white ultra conservative gun toting dude with CSA flags (even in Wisconsin) vote for the Republicans, presumably because they scream hysterically that everyone not like them is an ''illegal'' because they don't like the law that make them legal. (Someone called ''Manuello'' or ''Amir'' will never be LEGAL for you, even if their family are their since 1840)

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    both sides cheat to win, neither side does shit when they do win. if you disagree, you're an extremist on one side or the other and they're both equally bad

    most young people are on the extreme left, until their ideals actually affect them then they move more toward the middle and the right is about the same way. everyone likes dictating everyone else's life to be shit but when it's their own, everyone is a lot more moderate

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    Question for the people that approve this because it's against ''DAH ILLEGALS''. Do you REALLY think that a lot of people living in inner cities, you know the ones your handlers told you to hate with dog whistles like ''thugs'' and ''urban voters'' are illegal voters ?


    Even if vermin like Alex Jones and O'Keefe scream like possessed that ILLEGALS VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS, they pull this out of the rotting mass of worms that pass as their brains-you know fracking well that you struggle to find documented proofs of dozens of illegal voting in the US for the past decades. It's obvious for anyone in the entire world that ILLEGAL is a code word for NON WHITE, especially in terms of elections, since the ''illegals'' you are so fond are not actually voting, but Blacks and Hispanics american citizens are. What upset them is that migrants vote upon becoming citizens, and their children too. They don't like the laws making them citizens, so they call them illegals.

    This is not a slur or a ''non sense'' : outside the hysterical squeaking of Jones and co., can you link a case of significant voter fraud by non-citizens in the United States ? (a post by an user with a CSA flag saying that he saw someone with brown skin voting in 1992 does not count). What upset them is that migrants vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sopeonaroap View Post
    and more people = more representation at the federal level. that's the point that was made extremely clear before you ever posted. read more, talk less, you'll be better off and so will everyone around you.
    Ever heard of the electoral college /facepalm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raqubor View Post
    What a fucking loaded bull of a title. Republicans != Whites. There are a great number of fine non-white citizens of the USA who aren't brainwashed to be victims by the left.
    On Topic: No shit Sherlock, this isn't anything new.
    Top ranking republicans in the past have noted how the party is alienating non-whites... yet you random mmoc poster know better.

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