Don't get me wrong, I simply would have wanted to see things gradually ( I know that they don't have "data" before 1.12, but through wikis, videos and who knows, unofficial servers, thing could have been definitely done, in order to help recreate a better experience.
I do agree about the better customization too.
Balance affects almost any game, but I still find wow enjoyable, that's why still I am playing.
Rpg stuff is ok when it is related to rpg modes.
Rated pvp and some pve ( first kills or m+ escalation ) which is meant to be competitive should be way better, in terms of fairness and balance, without a large customization.
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1) honest question, do you ever have ideas that are not terrible?
2) all they really need to do to make our spellbooks happy again is remove the spec split and just let us have everything thats not bound by talents
3) if you wanted an idea that wasnt terrible, you should have started there and came up with a set of talented spells for every class that we can pick and choose from
4) you never had a choice in vanilla. the 1% per point talents were mandatory and usually the only ones that didnt suck a donkey in that row
Never believe you have seen the peak of human stupidity and ignorance, or you will constantly be surprised by the new levels the reach almost every day
I have been part of DoTA1 balance suggestions and remake team and our least concern is balance over spell mechanics as it can be nerfed/tweaked accordingly.
Tier 1 Mirror Image will have higher cooldown and lesser copy than current base talent. I.E. 4 min CD and creates 1 copy.
At level 45, tier III, Mirror Image will be an equivalent of current talent 2 min CD with 3 images.
Tier VI,VII,VIII or IX greatly modifies the spell depending on what column you choose or property
Theoretically we can say
α - cooldown reduction scaling from 2 mins down upto 30 seconds.
β - mirror image copies and duration from 1 to 9. Appearing as 2,3,4 copies. Tier I 1 copy for 10 seconds,14,18,22,26,30 seconds.
γ - mirror images has chance to trigger a mirror cast, using the spell you previously used for the entire duration.
Ultimate version. - can be γ or mirror image is now delayed after x seconds and grants you a buff for the same amount of time. Every spell you cast during the duration are applied by one of the image cycling from normal spell cast to the succeeding spell.
Or mirror image can be casted on an enemy or an ally copying which ever spell or skills it does after x seconds for half of the regular talent's duration.
Imagine DoTA or DoTA 2 with 100 different heroes and 400+ spells and ultimate..
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Some are mandatory but some are optional. I would include TBC and WotLK to the classic era talent system since the talent revamp was done in Cata ..Major pruning and goodbye hybrid spec.
In WotLK you can be disc priest with mind flay if talent invested. Or a somewhat DPS holy priest with mana regen from spirit tap.
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This.
But we are not playing Dota 2, someone in another thread mentioned how this game is turning more into a MOBA than an RPG and that is what you just highlighted here. We do not want a MOBA gameplay if we did then we would be playing a MOBA aka Dota 2 not WoW....
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Yes i agree he similarities to Artifact trait but that was the first time in 2 expansions we had some stuff to burn and now this expansion we literally got nothing. Warriors i think were the only class to receive changes to spec with Fury getting a little redesign but other than that it was no class changes, a few new gameplay ideas, a decent story but that was it.
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From a mage point of view, you would spec to PoM, then spec to Pyroblast then add in a few talents from Frost for example. You cannot do that on live, i cannot play with PoM, Pyro and Frostbolt no more. That is what i mean the talent trees allowed you to do, now i am not saying that there is a huge array of different builds that are best for dps or whatever but there is still more of an option. Right now you have a talent tree on live which offers you 6 rows of 1 choice each out of 3 per row, that is minimal choice and at best only 3 of the rows are changeable in terms of being able to compete with each other on dps (only talking dps here and mage specifically) the rest are all must talents or only 1 is useful.
Not in this one. There will be no standard build for a certain spec and this will replicate the cookie cutter build feel and experience as there are multiple ways of playing a spec. One player and his chosen class and spec will entirely feel different from the other player with same class and spec but different talent build.
Possibility in this one for fun factor is increased multiple folds and the probability for function are endless.
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First of all thank you for pitching in your insights.
Let me address your concerns along the way.I'll deal with the last one,first.
The major reason why there are now 9 Tiers grants you more choices.So when 9.0 releases, there will be two more ranks that will be included at levels 105 and 120. This will tie up with the systems overhaul being done every expansion.From a mage point of view, you would spec to PoM, then spec to Pyroblast then add in a few talents from Frost for example. You cannot do that on live, i cannot play with PoM, Pyro and Frostbolt no more. That is what i mean the talent trees allowed you to do, now i am not saying that there is a huge array of different builds that are best for dps or whatever but there is still more of an option. Right now you have a talent tree on live which offers you 6 rows of 1 choice each out of 3 per row, that is minimal choice and at best only 3 of the rows are changeable in terms of being able to compete with each other on dps (only talking dps here and mage specifically) the rest are all must talents or only 1 is useful.
That also means additional of 6 more talent choices for the 2 allocated spaces. With my suggested dynamic talent, one talent does not necessarily compete with those other two talents in it's same rank, so to speak with the current talent system. You can have Mirror Image and Rune of Power activated as talent and placing either of the two at any Talent tier with varying values and effect.
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I know some folks are against the idea, but a rejig of the talent system combined with a level squish may be the best way to go. I appreciate the issues that may arise when it comes to levelling from Vanilla through to BfA, and then whatever the next expansion may be, with a smaller amount of levels to progress through. Maybe levelling up to the threshold of the newest expansion becomes a choice thing once you leave the starter area? I don't know. But with a smaller amount of levels, we'd gain the talents comparatively faster, rather than every 15 levels, giving that feeling of "powering up" a little more weight. That way they don't need to add extra talent tiers, and can concentrate on improving the talents on offer, making them more meaningful and impacting.
MY BAD: Doubly reply. I was having trouble with posting my reply awhile ago.
Actually this will be the era of Sub-spec after the introduction of allied races. Think about
Temporal Arcmages, Master Illusionist, And Arcanists
Priest could play their then RP role of Priestess of the moon (Holy and Void with the power of the moon), Draenei invoking the two aspects of Na'aru. Shadow Priest who specializes on Psychic and Mind Spells the other on Vampirism (almost healing subspec) and Pure shadows.
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You may enjoy a custom spec but I feel like most people forgot that even with the talent trees you're basically still forced into a cookie-cutter build back in "ye olde days" if you really wanted to do end-game content, especially raids. Also, the class balancing of vanilla was terrible. Sure, balance is never going to be perfect but you can mitigate those issues by reducing the needless complexity of talent trees. A lot of the talents weren't even that "fun". Like, 3% increase to critical strike. That's not "fun". Nor is it fun not having many possible viable specs to choose from. In vanilla, if you wanted to heal, you'd be better off rolling a Holy Priest because healing on the other specs was atrocious and not as optimized because of balance issues.
Yeah... no. Balance trumps customization.
Value has always been the major culprit. From a raid encounter/mechanics perspective, value dictates/is the deciding factor whether an encounter is mathematically possible to clear or not. With a simple change in value, things along the way get cleared along with progression- learning boss mechanics, learning how to time and trigger boss phases, etc.
Same thing with balance issue on skills or talent. In actuality, talents are future dungeon boss or raid skills and mechanics. Talent highly modifies and existing skills by changing one of the spell property's value or having a new spell introduced not yet accessible to players but can be encounter in the world.
Think about it.
Void crash was a WotLK last boss move in Ankahet. DK's Defile is a skill by Arthras LK in ICC. It already existed way back. So what could be a balance issue? Projectile speed the speed dictates whether it can be dodgeable or not. When it reach the target area too fast that it doesn't allow a player to move out od the way, then that is a balance issue. Or let's say value of damage. One shotting someone with 1B damage is an equivalent wipe mechanics for raid boss but if you implement it as skill or talent for players to use, that value should't be used as it will make all encounters trivial.
I have been dealing with remake suggestion for heroes and skills and cosmetics as a part of the suggestors/implementors way back in DoTA, back when the development was steered by the pbulic and community, either for cosmetic purposes or for the purpose of removing redundancy among different heroes. I believe the game development aspect resides along one line may it be for a MoBA game or a toolkit for WoW.
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Saving this post for Mage Dynamic Talent: first off is Arcane Mage so watch out! Next will be Fire Mages and their Flame orb mechanics and last but not the least, Frost mages and their icicles king of crowd control.
Arcane:
After Image, Replicate, Multicast, Sound Barrier.
Frost:
New Talent: Jack Frost, Frost's Bite, Biting Frost, Frost Bitten mechanics.
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