[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Flarelaine]

Until Brexit the NHS is subject to EU competition rules which means artificially high costs for medicine in the UK. If US drug companies were allowed free access to the UK market they would lower the costs of many drugs through competition to patients.

Oh, yeah, the US is famous for cheap drugs...

Do you even read what you're writing?

And since when is competition driving prices up?

[Fuiking]

Unification wasn't the reason for austerity. We got a specific tax set aside for that very purpose, it's called the solidarity tax and money from that is flowing eastwards into infrastructure. Yes, present tense, because we're still paying for that. So that's not the reason.

Austerity was begun by our leftist Government back in the early 2000s and then continued with Merkel until early 2010s or so. We've never officially talked about it, but as far as I can tell, austerity isn't happening anymore. We're in normal spending mode. The only reason we got these surplusses is that we had a proper economic boom now that the east is catching up and our crazy finance minister was an economic genius for once.

Of course, there were sectors that suffered. Our military is really not happy, but they're getting more funds now. We're slowly ramping shit up, but Germany doesn't play fast and loose with tax money like some would hope.

There has never been any "patriotism" in accepting low wages. Our unions are really more responsible for this than anyone else. And the current mentality is that we'd rather have a badly paid job than no job at all. What you're describing is not true. It's really stark naked fear of unemployment that keeps people in line. The Government has next to nothing to do with it. The last time we heard a Chancellor talk about saving money and how everyone had to pitch in was over a decade ago.

Corporations and companies are also reluctant to invest into labor cost thanks to Brexit and other international economic problems... add it all together and you have a situation in which one side isn't willing to increase wages while the other side isn't willing to risk their job over wages.

TL;DR: We're not suffering enough, that's why wages are low (while still high in comparison to other countries).

Lucky Germans... We are still in austerity mode in dutchieland... (I hate the netherlands politicians with a burning passion).. with possibly even new austerity measures coming in 2020.

[dribbles]

Lucky Germans... We are still in austerity mode in dutchieland... (I hate the netherlands politicians with a burning passion).. with possibly even new austerity measures coming in 2020.

If you will indulge yourselves in expensive vanity projects, like EU membership, only yourself to blame. You could always leave and save billions!

[Fuiking]

This bait is a bit too obvious.

way too obvious Bit I will humor myself and bite:

Leaving means: returning to guilders = downgrading how much its worth, renegiotating trade deals.. you got more oomph if you do that with 300+ million people, then 17million people. = costs billions for no gain.

[Slant]

Lucky Germans... We are still in austerity mode in dutchieland... (I hate the netherlands politicians with a burning passion).. with possibly even new austerity measures coming in 2020.

Well, to be fair... from what my brother told me when he worked there for a couple of years, The Netherlands is kind of a paradise working environment with social benefits that outclass even our own. That's costing you a lot, I'm guessing.

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If you will indulge yourselves in expensive vanity projects, like EU membership, only yourself to blame. You could always leave and save billions!

Trillions, mate. And the world will bow down and recognise the Dutch superiority and beg for trade deals. Except the British Empire, of course. Nobody can contest the supreme rule of the British that everyone would benefit from.

[Fuiking]

Well, to be fair... from what my brother told me when he worked there for a couple of years, The Netherlands is kind of a paradise working environment with social benefits that outclass even our own. That's costing you a lot, I'm guessing.

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Trillions, mate. And the world will bow down and recognise the Dutch superiority and beg for trade deals. Except the British Empire, of course. Nobody can contest the supreme rule of the British that everyone would benefit from.

Thats true...


and about the superiority of the British Empire... *cough* Medway? *cough*

[Kallisto]

Thats true...


and about the superiority of the British Empire... *cough* Medway? *cough*

You silly dutch person. Don't you realise that British (and before that English) defeats never happened. It is all glorious victories for the honour of God, England and St George!

(At least that's how School History is taught, even 1066 is sometimes twisted into a Victory for the English people at times)

[LeGin Tufnel]

You silly dutch person. Don't you realise that British (and before that English) defeats never happened. It is all glorious victories for the honour of God, England and St George!

(At least that's how School History is taught, even 1066 is sometimes twisted into a Victory for the English people at times)

Really? My sense of being British is basically:

a) Worse things happen at sea.

b) Mustn't grumble.

[Noradin]

Really? My sense of being British is basically:

a) Worse things happen at sea.

b) Mustn't grumble.

See, that's why you aren't a Brexiteer like real Brits

[Slant]

See, that's why you aren't a Brexiteer like real Brits

You can say the real English now, Wales has bowed out of the Brexit idea now, too and say they want to remain in the EU.

Not sure how that goes in line with their almost unanimous "Let's fuck ourselves" vote... but they're Welsh, one has to be understanding of their ways... Or so the English told me.

[ranzino]

Labour-run Welsh government switches policy on Brexit to back staying in EU

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-...uropean-union/

http://record.assembly.wales/Plenary/5662#A51426 <<< Welsh Assembly session report, including the statement

Scotland was of course the first to congratulate them for their new course...

[ati87]

Btw completely expected yet happy news:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...KCN1T61AM?il=0

An organized eurosceptic bloc is DOA.

You mean that just having the same enemy doesn't make up for the fact that one side hates the other side?

Shocking.

It's kind of funny and sad that the racist Hungarian party and Polish see themselves as Western and use fear of immigrates (nobody immigrates to these two countries) to get into power while at the same time the racist parties in Western European countries see them as East and want to leave the EU toe because of them.

[Slant]

Labour-run Welsh government switches policy on Brexit to back staying in EU

https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2019-...uropean-union/

http://record.assembly.wales/Plenary/5662#A51426 <<< Welsh Assembly session report, including the statement

Scotland was of course the first to congratulate them for their new course...

One begins to wonder... when everyone in the Union is against leaving the EU except England... who's risking a break up of their so sacred union? Will they blame Scotland, Wales and NI or will they admit that the English broke up the union?

[JohnBrown1917]

You silly dutch person. Don't you realise that British (and before that English) defeats never happened. It is all glorious victories for the honour of God, England and St George!

(At least that's how School History is taught, even 1066 is sometimes twisted into a Victory for the English people at times)

We should just go and capture British flag-ship again.

[Wyrt]

One begins to wonder... when everyone in the Union is against leaving the EU except England... who's risking a break up of their so sacred union? Will they blame Scotland, Wales and NI or will they admit that the English broke up the union?

The English admit to failure? Never.

[Acidbaron]

Btw completely expected yet happy news:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...KCN1T61AM?il=0

An organized eurosceptic bloc is DOA.

Totally what we predicted, toddlers struggle to play nice when they have to share toys. The best part is all those votes are now wasted and other fractions can nitpick the normal complaints people had and run with it, cause nobody in politics cares who had or said it first only that something is done.

Good job people like dribbles splintering your opposition into a powerless block loool

[Slant]

Totally what we predicted, toddlers struggle to play nice when they have to share toys. The best part is all those votes are now wasted and other fractions can nitpick the normal complaints people had and run with it, cause nobody in politics cares who had or said it first only that something is done.

Good job people like dribbles splintering your opposition into a powerless block loool

Funny how racists can't cooperate with other nations' racists. It's as if the whole movement is doomed to fail. I wager we'll only see a far-right bloc once they decide there is a thing as "European nationalism".

In which case, they can't be Eurosceptic anymore. I'd probably just hang myself if I was one of them. It's all so pointless.

[Kallisto]

Funny how racists can't cooperate with other nations' racists. It's as if the whole movement is doomed to fail. I wager we'll only see a far-right bloc once they decide there is a thing as "European nationalism".

In which case, they can't be Eurosceptic anymore. I'd probably just hang myself if I was one of them. It's all so pointless.

The irony would be funny. That those that hated europe for so long get spooked by Brexit and Brown people that instead of fighting with each other they accidentally become the biggest push for United states of Europe to keep their pockets lined and brown people out.

[Independent voter]

Well then... "against our own interests" is a subjective thing, really. We've acquired a deep and very strong distate for social benefits and all the stigma associated with it. Better to work a badly paid job than... leech of the state. And yes, that's the common phrase when talking about these issues.

Wow, that's how we feel about social services in America.

[dribbles]

Funny how racists can't cooperate with other nations' racists. It's as if the whole movement is doomed to fail. I wager we'll only see a far-right bloc once they decide there is a thing as "European nationalism".

In which case, they can't be Eurosceptic anymore. I'd probably just hang myself if I was one of them. It's all so pointless.

If the definition of racism is the lack of tolerance and discrimination of ethnic minorites, there is no organisation on earth more racist than the EU. Once the British leave the EU will there be a single MEP left that's non white? Or are you saying that the whole EU racist movement is doomed to fail? In which case I'd agree.

In the meantime congratulations to the ethnically diverse and tolerant Brexit party for the election of their first MP in Peterborough. Oh oopsie, it hasn't happened yet has it. Oh well gratz then in advance for later today...the first of many