[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[Lollis]

Yeah it's really interesting. Corbyn is clamouring for a general election (as always). Him and Labour may be more unpopular than ever before but if BrexitParty and Conservatives are splitting the rest of the vote like this everywhere then it really works to his favour. We could end up with Conservatives and Brexit having substantially over 50% of the vote between them, but Corbyn just walking in because the vote's so split in each region he takes all the seats.

I'm curious what Farrages next move is going to be. I can't stand him but he's not a total idiot, he's not going to just hand the election to Corbyn gift wrapped.

If they'd stop fucking about and declare their intent regarding brexit instead of sitting on the fence they would probably win the next GE. I liked Corbyn at first, he appeared to want to move away from all this shitty childish squabbling that makes our parliament look like a complete fucking joke, but of course it turns out that he's just a liability.

I'm probably going to vote Labour at the next GE simply because i'm in a seat that has switched between Labour and Cons for the last 80 years and it's been red since 1997,nobody else has a chance. Im not voting FOR Labour, i'm voting AGAINST the Conservatives.

[JohnBrown1917]

How's Brexit party "Far Right"? They only have the one policy and that's a much more complex issue than the usual left-right drama.

Just listen to Farage himself. Getting rid of the NHS and introducing insurance companies is not a policy? Not to mention this riducously racist statement by itself.. or you know, the people leading the party.

[rogueMatthias]

I'm probably going to vote Labour at the next GE simply because i'm in a seat that has switched between Labour and Cons for the last 80 years and it's been red since 1997,nobody else has a chance. Im not voting FOR Labour, i'm voting AGAINST the Conservatives.

lol Yeah our elections have basically become voting against what you don't want. I'm pretty sure the last GE might as well have just been "NOT CORBYN" vs "NOT MAY". Basic campfire could have beaten both of those idiots.

[dribbles]

So dribbles, what does it mean to your chances of sweeping to power when you can't win one of the most fervent Leave districts while still being a single issue party? Or are you going to explain how they actually won somehow because 3 > 4 in dribbles math?

Looks like Farage is still toxic to any election that isn't for the EU. Which is ironic to a degree that isn't measurable with conventional instruments!

Of course we won dumbo :-

Labour = Don't know/care about Brexit = 10484
Brexit = Leave position = 9801
Conservative = Leave position = 7243
Lib Dem = Remain position = 4159
Greens = Save the Whales = 1035
UKIP = Leave position = 400

So in the round....

Pro Brexit leave = 17444 versus 4159 for remain.

Four times as many people voted for leave as remain and the only clear message out of this by-election is Vote Tory Get Corbyn. The electorate will have learnt that as a valuable lesson yesterday. Better they did that as a one off than at a General Election....

Tell me how on earth can you spin this as a win for remain? As an opener may I suggest you start with and use "Once upon a time...."? I'll provide the "happily ever after" ending...

[Northern Goblin]

I'm probably going to vote Labour at the next GE simply because i'm in a seat that has switched between Labour and Cons for the last 80 years and it's been red since 1997,nobody else has a chance. Im not voting FOR Labour, i'm voting AGAINST the Conservatives.

The sad state of affairs of our voting system. May FPTP die soon.

[dribbles]

You may or may not be interested in what our Nigel has to say and as he just emailed me I'll share it with you...

"Peterborough was 201st on the Brexit Party’s list of potentially winnable Westminster seats. If we can come so close there, then no Labour or Tory seat is safe any longer."

"We have scared the life out of the establishment parties. The latest YouGov poll already puts us in the lead nationally, six points ahead of the rest.

Where next for the Brexit Party? Come to our The Big Vision national rally at the NEC Birmingham on Sunday 30th June."

A little perspective don't you think? Still think you are winning remainers?

[Dizzeeyooo]

An amusing timeline of Farage's night in Peterborough

By contrast Nigel Farage is here and hid in the gents to avoid interviews.

After Richard Tice remonstrated with police, the toilet is now cordoned off.

Nigel’s left.

#winning

[Kotuthan]

Looks like the Ford executives were not joking, when they said, that if brexit hurts or threatens their profits they would close UK Plants.
The Bridgend Plant is to close in 2020. It employs 1,700.

[JohnBrown1917]

lol Yeah our elections have basically become voting against what you don't want. I'm pretty sure the last GE might as well have just been "NOT CORBYN" vs "NOT MAY". Basic campfire could have beaten both of those idiots.

I suppose some people did indeed take it hard when labour finally decided to go left of center again.

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He didn't email you, specifically, he's not your mate just sending you a casual email. It's an update/newsletter type thing that goes to everyone that signed up for it lol

Just leave him be, Farage is his first crush. We all had one, right?

[Slant]

Yeah it's really interesting. Corbyn is clamouring for a general election (as always). Him and Labour may be more unpopular than ever before but if BrexitParty and Conservatives are splitting the rest of the vote like this everywhere then it really works to his favour. We could end up with Conservatives and Brexit having substantially over 50% of the vote between them, but Corbyn just walking in because the vote's so split in each region he takes all the seats.

I'm curious what Farrages next move is going to be. I can't stand him but he's not a total idiot, he's not going to just hand the election to Corbyn gift wrapped.



How's Brexit party "Far Right"? They only have the one policy and that's a much more complex issue than the usual left-right drama.

That they only have borderline nazis like farage is of course totally unrelated, right?

[Kallisto]

Well, they did it once more. They managed to find someone else to blame...

https://scramnews.com/brexit-party-i...Kr8nwlWJ8zb-UY



Bad Pakistani!

The irony is, them leaving the EU won't change anything about those bad Pakistanis.

Also funny, can Pakistani just vote like that? Don't they have to be British citizens to begin with? In which case, aren't they British instead of Pakistani? So many questions...

Almost certainly 3rd gen british citizens but for argument sake any citizen of the commonwealth when in the UK can vote in UK elections.

[Pann]

As was expected the case attempting to prosecute Boris Johnson over lying about the £350 million has been thrown out with the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853

[Dizzeeyooo]

the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

Mr Darbishire said the attempt to prosecute Mr Johnson was "politically motivated and vexatious".

In the interest of accuracy - Darbishire is Johnson's barrister, not the judge

The Uxbridge and South Ruislip MP's legal team argued that the offence of misconduct in public office was about the secret abuse of power and there was nothing secret about Mr Johnson's claim

A politician lying during a campaign is fine if they lie loudly enough and in public, apparently.

You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not.

Sad but true.

[AeneasBK]

You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.

Didn't Iceland beat us all to the punch there over the financial crisis in 2008?

[LeGin Tufnel]

As was expected the case attempting to prosecute Boris Johnson over lying about the £350 million has been thrown out with the judge stating that the case was "politically motivated and vexatious".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48554853

The fact that the judge BJ's lawyer has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.

Oh, it's so tiresome that I'm being taken to court for lying through my teeth. How extraordinarily bothersome, irksome and generally displeasing.

[Pann]

You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.

Like all democracies we do hold them to account. If you believe that they are lying don't vote for them - simple really.

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The fact that the judge has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.

Oh, it's so tiresome that I'm being taken to court for lying through my teeth. How extraordinarily bothersome, irksome and generally displeasing.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.

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For those of you interested in the legalities and arguments regrading the Johnson case this blog from when the prosecution was first launched has more information.

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/09/...blicity-stunt/

[Dizzeeyooo]

The fact that the judge has described it as "vexatious" sums it up, really.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.

Again, the judge didn't say that - the person paid to defend Johnson did.

[Noradin]

You could've been the first country to hold their politicians accountable for lies and deceiving the public... but of course not. It'll be up to Scandinavia or the Benelux to be the trendsetters as always I suppose.

Well the reasoning goes that parliament is in charge of holding politicans accountable for the lies they use to get elected.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Like all democracies we do hold them to account. If you believe that they are lying don't vote for them - simple really.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that's what the judge meant.

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For those of you interested in the legalities and arguments regrading the Johnson case this blog from when the prosecution was first launched has more information.

http://barristerblogger.com/2018/09/...blicity-stunt/

That blog is nothing more than the opinion piece of a right-wing barrister.

Matthew Scott:

He dislikes nationalism, socialism and greenism in roughly equal measure

He writes, in the article you linked:

Of course politicians ought not to lie, but the place to refute dishonest political arguments is in debate, not in a police station interview under caution, or in the Crown Court years later. Indeed, the very idea that political arguments should be “policed” by the state is alarming.

Nah - not particularly interested.

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Again, the judge didn't say that - the person paid to defend Johnson did.

Yep, sorry - fixed

[Pann]

That blog is nothing more than the opinion piece of a right-wing barrister.

Matthew Scott:

He dislikes nationalism, socialism and greenism in roughly equal measure

He writes, in the article you linked:

Of course politicians ought not to lie, but the place to refute dishonest political arguments is in debate, not in a police station interview under caution, or in the Crown Court years later. Indeed, the very idea that political arguments should be “policed” by the state is alarming.

Nah - not particularly interested.

He's offered a legal opinion on a case which a High Court Judge agrees with. I fail to see how his political leanings are in anyway relevant...

...unless... the judge is also one of them right wingers as well!

Perhaps you could offer an equally expert opinion as to why he is not correct instead of trying to attack his character?

Anyway if you don't want to read things because you disagree with the political opinions of the author that's entirely down to you.