Google Stadia - Googles new game streaming platform

[stellvia]

The most popular fucking genre of games are FPS games, which are games where the input lag will be instantly noticeable through streaming. This is dead in the fucking water. Also it comes at a time where people trust Google less than ever.

Input lag, rubberbanding, and lag-interp deaths behind 20m of wall, oh my! Also hacks. Lots and lots of hacking from how much inputs will have to rely on clientside data. Stadia will really make you FEEL like 90s online gaming...

[Remilia]

5G NR isn't exactly a magic bullet for this. The touted bandwidth and latency requires a lot of caveats. mmWave spectrum has issues with range and surrounding elements. You basically require line of sight to the tower or node and dependent on weather. Rain may reduce the range for example. Verizon already rolled out 5G NR in a few cities and we already have some tests about how finicky it is getting a signal. More nodes will need to be rolled out and it's going to be a long time before we get even any reliable coverage. The sub 6GHz has more promise coverage wise than mmWave but will be more susceptible to congestion. Also the latency touted is for device to tower, not anything after that.

This also doesn't matter cause it's not bringing the data center to you. Latency by distance is still going to be there.

[LazarusLong]

It's not for anyone who cares about gaming at all. Anyone who is casual enough for this to appeal to is just playing fucking smartphone games.

The most popular fucking genre of games are FPS games, which are games where the input lag will be instantly noticeable through streaming. This is dead in the fucking water. Also it comes at a time where people trust Google less than ever.

Just how big do you think the input lag is from something like Fortnite, currently?

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Yeah... Portland does not have 5G yet. It has 5GE... Which is ATT trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
https://www.cellularmaps.com/5g-coverage.shtml

Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.

[Tech614]

Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.

Chinese internet is fucking terrible for the most part and worse then the US even.

The only countries in asia with good internet are Japan, Hong Kong, Singapore and South Korea. That's only a combined population of 191 million. Far cry from being "the biggest gaming market".

[kaelleria]

Just how big do you think the input lag is from something like Fortnite, currently?

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Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

Oh hey, that's also the biggest gaming markets.

5G literally just rolled out in SK in April. It's still super new technology. Japan isn't rolling out their networks until 2020. China just issued licenses for the first companies Thursday... It really doesn't exist in any usable form outside of SK and a handful of places across the globe.

And as others have stated... It's not a magic bullet.

[Cracked]

I had a 10 gbit connected directly to the internet backbone (one of the first places to be connected to the internet ever) at my old place and I still wouldn't take this over the experience of a PC. Even with just 16 ms roundtrip to the datacenter. Since I moved it would be much worse and the compression has to be out of this world to work on something like 20 mbit internet.

[LazarusLong]

Chinese internet is fucking terrible for the most part and worse then the US even.

lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world. It's just Facebook and other western shit works slowly because of the "great firewall".

USA internet is the worst in OECD countires, period.

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5G literally just rolled out in SK in April. It's still super new technology. Japan isn't rolling out their networks until 2020. China just issued licenses for the first companies Thursday... It really doesn't exist in any usable form outside of SK and a handful of places across the globe.

And as others have stated... It's not a magic bullet.

I should have phrased differently. Yes, there are a few 5G installations currently, what I meant is that the USA won't have them for at least 5 years or so. And given how LTE rollout worked, even by that time, you won't see the full potential of technology.

[SinR]

requires 50mbit connection?

Well there goes 90% of North America

[Blade Wolf]

requires 50mbit connection?

Well there goes 90% of North America

I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.

[Tech614]

lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world.

You can't even comprehend how wrong this is, and how much it made me laugh at your ridiculous claim. I'm not even going to bother to prove it wrong, because it's more funny if we leave it at this.

[Remilia]

lul, what. The Chinese internet is one of the best in the world. It's just Facebook and other western shit works slowly because of the "great firewall".

USA internet is the worst in OECD countires, period.

I hope you're not confusing Hong Kong with Mainland China.

I should have phrased differently. Yes, there are a few 5G installations currently, what I meant is that the USA won't have them for at least 5 years or so. And given how LTE rollout worked, even by that time, you won't see the full potential of technology.

Umm... Verizon already has 5G NR mmWave rolled out in a couple cities with phones already working on it (by that I mean Samsung S10 5G or 5G moto mod if you want to include that). 5G NR infrastructure by nature will be more expensive and harder to deploy but network sharing is indeed a thing for 5G NR.

Exactly. if you want to experience true 5G, move to Korea or Japan (or China for that matter).

Define true 5G.

[Vineri]

Streaming media has an inherent issue... LAG.

The only feasible way to have this service will be to pay dearly. Because IP's are not going to just wave a hand at their available bandwidth disappearing. Pay Google, they pay your IP .. or pay both in some cases.

It's cheaper and more reliable to just have a home console. It's private also, and, that means alot.

The whole bandwagon to join streaming seems like some failed kickstarter. You have everything already .. why would you want less?

.. do you really NEED to play console games on your phone? =D [[buy a Switch, at least the font's are designed to be readable, handheld mode, ie small screen]]

[SinR]

I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.

I live in bumfuck nowhere, about 10 miles from the nearest decent sized city. Where I live I'm lucky to get the 3mbit connection I have, and my ISP knows they're the only game for people like me that live in "RURAL" areas. 4G is there but spotty at best.

[Puupi]

We have 5g in portland and it isnt much better, especially if theres still a lot of congestion.

5G doesn't even exist yet.

EDIT: I was wrong, I've been living under a rock - it has just come available in recent months.

[Salty Maud]

Cloud gaming could replace console gaming pretty quick if they get a competitive coverage of games. Casual pc gaming too (those that occasionally game on their general purpose/work machines on the side/kids on their family computer), but i doubt enthusiasts would be too excited to downgrade to a console grade experience with additional input delay. Doesn't necessarily compete with mobile gaming, but supplements it nicely, brings more complex games available on mobile in contrast to the games typically available for mobile. I remember cloud gaming has been tried before with little success but in this time and age i can see it working, especially with someone with as bottomless funding available as google driving it forward.

[Tenjen]

This is going to make game preservation really difficult though : \

A projected 1TB consumption within 3 days cuts out a lot of people

[stellvia]

I'm still baffled that having a 50mb connection is such a hard thing in America. In Sweden where i live 100mb is the standard and it costs abit more than a wow monthly sub. I can upgrade to 1gb if i wanted to for about 5 times the price but i feel i just wouldn't get the full value from that YET.

The thing is, even if a lot of people have at least 50mbit or better, that is always "max" and NOT guaranteed rates. Quite often they cheap out on last-mile maintenance and oversubscribe nodes.

[Tenjen]

The thing is, even if a lot of people have at least 50mbit or better, that is always "max" and NOT guaranteed rates. Quite often they cheap out on last-mile maintenance and oversubscribe nodes.

and/or they throttle it according to whatever profit agenda they have, either for lay users or towards whatever services are on their shitlist. especially now that net neutrality is down and out in whichever states didn't step in to enforce it.

This is starting to smell like Games As A Service with less oversight and more sucking whales dry.

[HumbleDuck]

I do agree with the statement "cloud gaming is the future of gaming", however, that future is not here yet, maybe in 10-15 years, but not now.

[Clbull]

Destiny 2? Not a good way to start their foray into gaming ;p

Especially not when the base Destiny 2 game and first year of DLC are going F2P.