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    Quote Originally Posted by i9erek View Post
    The US fought for others, the USSR fought for itself. No one will clap for you when you're fighting for your own neck, it's not a sacrifice if it's aimed at self-gain.
    USSR's fight for itself ultimately resulted in the destruction of Nazi Germany. Where were the USA in the first years of the war? Who drove away the Nazis from Eastern Europe and entered Berlin? And who pushed away the Japanese from Manchuria on Roosevelt's request? Are you claiming the West had no interest in Europe and joined the war merely for the sake of others? Why didn't US troops leave after the war, instead of spreading military bases all across Europe, even after the Cold War, up to this day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    published by Christian Science Monitor.
    Despite the name, it's actually a pretty reputable publication. They've won several Pulitzers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domcho View Post
    USSR's fight for itself ultimately resulted in the destruction of Nazi Germany. Where were the USA in the first years of the war? Who drove away the Nazis from Eastern Europe and entered Berlin? And who pushed away the Japanese from Manchuria on Roosevelt's request? Are you claiming the West had no interest in Europe and joined the war merely for the sake of others? Why didn't US troops leave after the war, instead of spreading military bases all across Europe, even after the Cold War, up to this day?
    Total 48,395.4 in $billions
    British Empire 31,387.1
    Soviet Union 10,982.1
    France 3,223.9
    China 1,627.0
    Brazil 372.0
    Netherlands 251.1
    Belgium 159.5
    Greece 81.5
    Norway 47.0
    Turkey 42.9
    Mexico 39.2
    Yugoslavia 32.2
    Chile 21.6
    Saudi Arabia 19.0
    Peru 18.9
    Poland 12.5
    Liberia 11.6
    Colombia 8.3
    Ecuador 7.8
    Uruguay 7.1
    Cuba 6.6
    Bolivia 5.5
    Ethiopia 5.3
    Iran 5.3
    Venezuela 4.5
    Iceland 4.4
    Guatemala 2.6
    Paraguay 2.0
    Dominican Republic 1.6
    Haiti 1.4
    El Salvador 0.9
    Iraq 0.9
    Nicaragua 0.9
    Czechoslovakia 0.6
    Honduras 0.4
    Costa Rica 0.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Total 48,395.4 in $billions
    British Empire 31,387.1
    Soviet Union 10,982.1
    France 3,223.9
    China 1,627.0
    Brazil 372.0
    Netherlands 251.1
    Belgium 159.5
    Greece 81.5
    Norway 47.0
    Turkey 42.9
    Mexico 39.2
    Yugoslavia 32.2
    Chile 21.6
    Saudi Arabia 19.0
    Peru 18.9
    Poland 12.5
    Liberia 11.6
    Colombia 8.3
    Ecuador 7.8
    Uruguay 7.1
    Cuba 6.6
    Bolivia 5.5
    Ethiopia 5.3
    Iran 5.3
    Venezuela 4.5
    Iceland 4.4
    Guatemala 2.6
    Paraguay 2.0
    Dominican Republic 1.6
    Haiti 1.4
    El Salvador 0.9
    Iraq 0.9
    Nicaragua 0.9
    Czechoslovakia 0.6
    Honduras 0.4
    Costa Rica 0.2

    We were giving you money.



    Katjuscha rockets mounted on an American Studebaker truck.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Yes, they delayed it for the purpose of finding the right weather conditions.

    Anything else is a conspiracy theory.

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    It didn't accomplish much? Rommel's defeat cut Germany's supply lines to vital North African oil and the invasion of Italy took out one of Germany's biggest allies in the war.

    Read a textbook once in your life.
    Actually Italy was more of a hindrance to germany as they had to help them out on all fronts, so no clue were the biggest allie spart come from.

    Or to make it short, ital was never good in anything war related in WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domcho View Post
    USSR's fight for itself ultimately resulted in the destruction of Nazi Germany. Where were the USA in the first years of the war? Who drove away the Nazis from Eastern Europe and entered Berlin? And who pushed away the Japanese from Manchuria on Roosevelt's request? Are you claiming the West had no interest in Europe and joined the war merely for the sake of others? Why didn't US troops leave after the war, instead of spreading military bases all across Europe, even after the Cold War, up to this day?
    Because of Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domcho View Post
    Money - is that your best excuse? You want to compare money with blood?
    It makes a difference when it comes to war. Because the money represents war supplies which helped the Russians tremendously. Not disputing the lost of lives the Russians paid however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Domcho View Post
    USSR's fight for itself ultimately resulted in the destruction of Nazi Germany. Where were the USA in the first years of the war? Who drove away the Nazis from Eastern Europe and entered Berlin? And who pushed away the Japanese from Manchuria on Roosevelt's request? Are you claiming the West had no interest in Europe and joined the war merely for the sake of others? Why didn't US troops leave after the war, instead of spreading military bases all across Europe, even after the Cold War, up to this day?
    Being "liberated" by the USSR was not exactly a good thing for the Western Slavic countries or the Baltic States. After all, these are the countries asking the US to station troops now....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Domcho View Post
    Money - is that your best excuse? You want to compare money with blood?
    The use of mercenaries is a time honored military tradition.

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    so russia has been pushing the alt right "wars are only there to to kill white men" narrative for a long time, if you look at the vietnam war and the rate at which poor blacks were sent to die it kind of disproved their whole theory yet the far right and russia keep pushing it.

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    Man I hate this attitude where its 'cool' to downplay the US's impact on the war. The war was a combined effort with the US providing financial and logistical support before officially entering the war. Even before that, the US was conducting military operations in Europe. If you're fighting someone who has a 'neutral' third party that keeps resupplying them then you're going to say, 'fuck that, the third party is part of the war too'. The combined ass-kicking from the east and the west is was placed the terms of surrender heavily in the court of the allies. There's no "ahh the Americans won the war" or "no the Soviets did!", it was a combined effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INVASMANIXOXOXO View Post
    Because of Russia.
    or. "Why didn't they allow the Russian's to invade western Europe?!"

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    Russia had such high casualties because Stalin was a monster and an idiot. Ordering his own troops to kill each other. Stalin's own generals had to tell him to stay out of war decisions. Stalin was nothing but a underground crime lord before. The result of what you would get if Al Capone was leading a country. He was far worse than Hitler and every measure. The US had good reason to leave bases behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freefolk View Post
    Did the allies delay the invasion of Normandy on purpose?
    Yes, they did, Churchill said he wanted germany n ussr to bleed.

    Western propaganda is so over the top that some in america think germany were allies n soviets enemy. Hogging glory is typical of 'muricans.

    Chicken usa didn't really join the war until the outcome became clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Yes, they did, Churchill said he wanted germany n ussr to bleed.

    Western propaganda is so over the top that some in america think germany were allies n soviets enemy. Hogging glory is typical of 'muricans.
    Need a link or many will look at your statement as false. And without the US helping, the outcome of WW2 may have been very bad for every country in Europe. Keep in mind, the US was keeping Japan occupied so the Russians could concentrate on pushing the Germans back. Also the supplies the US sent overseas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    And that has never happened to both sides after a war in the history of the world. See the definition of everyone to find where you went wrong.
    I think you will find that it has happened after WW1, where the Germans were humiliated by the French and British, told to disarm and to pay war reparations.. And I think you may also find that was one of the reasons Hitler initiated WW2, as a form of reprisal among other reasons..

    It was also why when he invaded and conquered France early in WW2, he used the same carriage that was used at the signing of the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1, to accept the French surrender and humiliate them in the process..

    OT: As others have said yes they delayed the invasion till they got terrible weather, so that the German airforce could not send out scouting planes to discover the massive naval build up in the channel..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellhound View Post
    Without the massive support of the Allies throughout, the USSR would have been luck to regain the territory it lost.
    It was amazing the Soviets did so well considering at some point in the push west, soldiers would have to share one gun among ten of them.. They also used dogs as mobile explosive devices against tanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by grexly75 View Post
    I think you will find that it has happened after WW1, where the Germans were humiliated by the French and British, told to disarm and to pay war reparations.. And I think you may also find that was one of the reasons Hitler initiated WW2, as a form of reprisal among other reasons..

    It was also why when he invaded and conquered France early in WW2, he used the same carriage that was used at the signing of the Treaty of Versailles at the end of WW1, to accept the French surrender and humiliate them in the process..

    OT: As others have said yes they delayed the invasion till they got terrible weather, so that the German airforce could not send out scouting planes to discover the massive naval build up in the channel..
    They did not delay the invasion for the sake of the weather being bad. German ability to establish air superiority and scout with air planes had been crushed by the middle of 1944. On the contrary, they specifically wanted the sky to be clear both for the sake of air support and their paratroopers, as well as for there to be low tides with a calm sea when landing.

    As well as that, the Germans had no spy presence in Britain by that point, they thought they did, but the British had rooted them all out and were actively feeding the Germans misleading information as part of deception operations by that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    I think you’ll find that the word everyone includes the victors.
    True, but not as much as they did to post WW1 Germany.. If you can find the documentary Apocalypse: The Rise of Hitler you will get an idea of what happened during the period between WW1 and WW2..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zealo View Post
    They did not delay the invasion for the sake of the weather being bad. German ability to establish air superiority and scout with air planes had been crushed by the middle of 1944. On the contrary, they specifically wanted the sky to be clear both for the sake of air support and their paratroopers, as well as for there to be low tides when landing.

    As well as that, the Germans had no spy presence in Britain by that point, they thought they did, but the British had rooted them all out and were actively feeding the Germans misleading information as part of deception operations by that point.
    Ahh my mistake thought it was the other way around, you are right they delayed it because the day they wanted to start was due to bad weather..

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    If you want to kill a snake, you go for the head.
    This is true, but if you starve a snake to death it can't bite back.

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    Germany would have been a part of the USSR.

    Not half of Germany, all of it. The Iron Curtain would be on the French border.
    Nah, they could not have controlled all that territory of non-slavic people without all of it dissolving into an unmanageable mess. Even eastern european peoples started rebelling against them in a decade. You think germans would have twiddled their thumbs all that time?
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