Can Sylvanas rightfully remain Warchief?

[Zulkhan]

I would be fine if Sylvanas finds a way to rightfully remain alive.

Warchief Sylvanas though? No, that shit has always been stupid, the sooner it ends the better.

[Feanoro]

When did vengeance for Taurajo happen? Never because Baine forbid.

Yeah, a tiny camp where rogue soldiers disobeyed orders to attack with gaps for escape is totally the same as the warchief ordering a population center burned down.

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The general responsible for Taurajo was killed by Horde adventurers along with many other Alliance soldiers, despite Baine's boner for humans.

Shh, you're disrupting the narrative!

[matrix123mko]

Sylvanas fanboys are the worst. It's like none of you played before Cata.... The forsaken intro when you make a damn forsaken has always been "We are using the horde" as a means to an end so Sylvanas can carry out her plan to turn everyone undead LOL. Blizzard isn't writing badly you guys are just not paying attention. This has been a LONG time coming

There is no proof that Sylvanas wants to turn everyone undead. Moreover, she wouldn't need any corpses for her people if some idiot didn't attack her in Stormheim.

Didn't you post this some time ago.

[Zandalariprelate]

Let's be real, the writers screw up with making her warchief to only dethrone her 1 expansion later and with the previous expansion she did nothing and most of the defense she and Anduin did with their territories are just token mention that can easily be retconed since the guys who tells this are dumbasess pieces of Sh#t and booklickers.

I just hope after bfa the entire team with afrasiabi are fired and the new guys are forbidden to make another faction war and civil war with the horde faction. The alliance has the excellent opportunity with Yrel being the harsh hand they need and to kick out some arcs, people starting to realize the humans doesn't give a damm about their allies and will only call for heads to roll out if the war reached to their doorstep and we can get rid of the already massive cast of human characters and leave the few one to develop better(killing Keshan and the Indiana Jones parody would be a good move from blizzard)

[matrix123mko]

Let's be real, the writers screw up with making her warchief to only dethrone her 1 expansion later and with the previous expansion she did nothing and most of the defense she and Anduin did with their territories are just token mention that can easily be retconed since the guys who tells this are dumbasess pieces of Sh#t and booklickers.

I just hope after bfa the entire team with afrasiabi are fired and the new guys are forbidden to make another faction war and civil war with the horde faction. The alliance has the excellent opportunity with Yrel being the harsh hand they need and to kick out some arcs, people starting to realize the humans doesn't give a damm about their allies and will only call for heads to roll out if the war reached to their doorstep and we can get rid of the already massive cast of human characters and leave the few one to develop better(killing Keshan and the Indiana Jones parody would be a good move from blizzard)

At this point I would be happy if orcs and humans were erased out of existence for an expansion or two.

[Mehrunes]

Rightfully? Because of how the Horde works, yes. The only legal way for Sylvanas to lose the right to remain Warchief is for her to step down.

Sylvanas fanboys are the worst. It's like none of you played before Cata.... The forsaken intro when you make a damn forsaken has always been "We are using the horde" as a means to an end so Sylvanas can carry out her plan to turn everyone undead LOL. Blizzard isn't writing badly you guys are just not paying attention. This has been a LONG time coming

Given how no such thing actually happens in the post-Cata Forsaken intro, it would have been kinda hard for people to pay attention to that

Yeah, a tiny camp where rogue soldiers disobeyed orders to attack with gaps for escape is totally the same as the warchief ordering a population center burned down.

They didn't disobey orders to attack... The people disobeying the orders were the ones who looted Taurajo after the attack. The attack itself was led by highest-ranking Alliance officer in the region. Can you at least know your own side's quests?

At this point I would be happy if orcs and humans were erased out of existence for an expansion or two.

Even if the writers did write them out, they wouldn't be able to stop themselves for more than a patch. And then they'd pull yet another GoT moment when Dothraki Orcs and humans were almost wiped out in one episode patch only for us to learn in the very next one that half of them survived.

[matrix123mko]

Rightfully? Because of how the Horde works, yes. The only legal way for Sylvanas to lose the right to remain Warchief is for her to step down.

Or lose Mak'gora.

Given how no such thing actually happens in the post-Cata Forsaken intro, it would have been kinda hard for people to pay attention to that

Also there is difference between using the Horde, which is normal in political alliances, and going to kill everyone.

Even if the writers did write them out, they wouldn't be able to stop themselves for more than a patch. And then they'd pull yet another GoT moment when Dothraki Orcs and humans were almost wiped out in one episode patch only for us to learn in the very next one that half of them survived.

I didn't say that they have to write them out in some logical way. Just pretend they don't exist, like dwarves.

[Mehrunes]

Or lose Mak'gora.

Well, there's that but unless Blizzard deliberately makes Sylvanas gargle on the idiot ball (which, admittedly, they always make her do whenever she's fighting someone), no one in the Horde can realistically win against her.

I didn't say that they have to write them out in some logical way. Just pretend they don't exist, like dwarves.

In that case their inability to stop themselves would be even stronger.

[RohanV]

What if Thrall challenges Sylvanas to a Mak'gora, and loses? Wouldn't Sylvanas be the "rightful" warchief?

The war between the Alliance and Horde would stay hot, but Blizzard might want that for a few expansions (rather than restarting it every other one).

[Eggroll]

I think it's a really stupid idea to make opposite faction leaders destroy the only chance of immortality of entire race and be forgotten.

When did vengeance for Taurajo happen? Never because Baine forbid.

Bohoo, you got to destroy Theramore along with the leader of the Kirin Tor. Is that not good enough for you? You also got to destroy Southshore and got Hillsbrad. What has the Horde done with these fertile lands? Yeah nothing. You also got Aszhara uncontested by the nelves. What have has the Horde done with that? Nothing.

Stop crying.

[Nathasil]

Well, there's that but unless Blizzard deliberately makes Sylvanas gargle on the idiot ball (which, admittedly, they always make her do whenever she's fighting someone), no one in the Horde can realistically win against her.

You are joking, right? Since becoming Warchief Sylvanas fought 1vs1 exactly two times:
1) Genn, a ~100 year old Human who was NEVER known to be a great fighter. Sure, the curse makes him stronger, but he is nowhere near anything special in terms of power. He even goes down in the Lordaeron cinematic from one random Chain-Lightning-Jump by a lvl10 NPC!
2) Malfurion, who admittedly is one of the most powerful characters on Azeroth, BUT he stood there in caster form casting nothing but Wrath. If you ever fought a druid as a hunter, you would know they only do this to taunt you and you SHOULD win.

Both times she lost. Isn't the Horde famous for having the best and stongest Warriors on Azeroth? Isn't that what they claim all the time? Seeing how Genn fared against her i would argue every mid-level warrior should be able to beat her into a puddle. Let alone really outstanding ones like Saurfang. Yes, Saurfang lost to Malfurion, too, but at least he did not let him stand there casting Wrath at him.

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But i totally agree with you on one thing: If Blizzard ever tells how Sylvanas goes into a Mak'gora without having Nathanos shot her oppenent in the back as soon as the fight starts i would be gravely disappointed. Sylvanas is supposed to be a cunning, shady, undead Elf. Not an Orc Warrior. She should NEVER fight an open 1on1. Never. Not even when she is confident to win. She should ALWAYS have a Plan B.

[Mehrunes]

Bohoo, you got to destroy Theramore along with the leader of the Kirin Tor. Is that not good enough for you? You also got to destroy Southshore and got Hillsbrad. What has the Horde done with these fertile lands? Yeah nothing. You also got Aszhara uncontested by the nelves. What have has the Horde done with that? Nothing.

Stop crying.

You do realize the Horde got those zones only because Blizzard was fixing a zone imbalance between the factions that existed prior to Cata and favored the Alliance, right? So they really don't work as examples to use in a comeback here.

[Zandalariprelate]

At this point I would be happy if orcs and humans were erased out of existence for an expansion or two.

Hope so, maybe that is why I have a soft spot for WoD, BC, Legion and some parts of MoP because humans and orcs were sidelined and we saw more about the others races. I still hope Stormwind and Orgrimmar get their own invasion of Quel'thalas treatment where an enemy defeats the factions and burn down the capital with most of the humans and a good portion of the orcs are killed. However I have to say guys like Cromush and Rogers diserve to live and recreate a truly orcish city and rogers a real kingdome and not some disney parody city

[Feanoro]

Bohoo, you got to destroy Theramore along with the leader of the Kirin Tor. Is that not good enough for you? You also got to destroy Southshore and got Hillsbrad. What has the Horde done with these fertile lands? Yeah nothing. You also got Aszhara uncontested by the nelves. What have has the Horde done with that? Nothing.

Stop crying.

Some Hordies take it a bit too seriously and won't be happy until Blizz deletes Alliance.

[matrix123mko]

You are joking, right? Since becoming Warchief Sylvanas fought 1vs1 exactly two times:
1) Genn, a ~100 year old Human who was NEVER known to be a great fighter. Sure, the curse makes him stronger, but he is nowhere near anything special in terms of power. He even goes down in the Lordaeron cinematic from one random Chain-Lightning-Jump by a lvl10 NPC!
2) Malfurion, who admittedly is one of the most powerful characters on Azeroth, BUT he stood there in caster form casting nothing but Wrath. If you ever fought a druid as a hunter, you would know they only do this to taunt you and you SHOULD win.

Both times she lost. Isn't the Horde famous for having the best and stongest Warriors on Azeroth? Isn't that what they claim all the time? Seeing how Genn fared against her i would argue every mid-level warrior should be able to beat her into a puddle. Let alone really outstanding ones like Saurfang. Yes, Saurfang lost to Malfurion, too, but at least he did not let him stand there casting Wrath at him.

Sylvanas is capable of slaughtering non-spellcaster enemies, as shown in cinematic trailer and comics. If not for Genn's plot armor(and maybe the fact that she wanted not to break her lanthern) she would rip him apart.

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Bohoo, you got to destroy Theramore along with the leader of the Kirin Tor. Is that not good enough for you? You also got to destroy Southshore and got Hillsbrad. What has the Horde done with these fertile lands? Yeah nothing. You also got Aszhara uncontested by the nelves. What have has the Horde done with that? Nothing.

Tauren didn't get anything.

Stop crying.

It is you who cries about Tyrande not getting her vengeance.

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Hope so, maybe that is why I have a soft spot for WoD, BC, Legion and some parts of MoP because humans and orcs were sidelined and we saw more about the others races. I still hope Stormwind and Orgrimmar get their own invasion of Quel'thalas treatment where an enemy defeats the factions and burn down the capital with most of the humans and a good portion of the orcs are killed. However I have to say guys like Cromush and Rogers diserve to live and recreate a truly orcish city and rogers a real kingdome and not some disney parody city

If only they destroyed these two cities. They don't even have to give us new cities. We have Zuldazar and Ironforge.

[Mehrunes]

You are joking, right? Since becoming Warchief Sylvanas fought 1vs1 exactly two times:
1) Genn, a ~100 year old Human who was NEVER known to be a great fighter. Sure, the curse makes him stronger, but he is nowhere near anything special in terms of power. He even goes down in the Lordaeron cinematic from one random Chain-Lightning-Jump by a lvl10 NPC!
2) Malfurion, who admittedly is one of the most powerful characters on Azeroth, BUT he stood there in caster form casting nothing but Wrath. If you ever fought a druid as a hunter, you would know they only do this to taunt you and you SHOULD win.

Both times she lost. Isn't the Horde famous for having the best and stongest Warriors on Azeroth? Isn't that what they claim all the time? Seeing how Genn fared against her i would argue every mid-level warrior should be able to beat her into a puddle. Let alone really outstanding ones like Saurfang. Yes, Saurfang lost to Malfurion, too, but at least he did not let him stand there casting Wrath at him.

Yeah, no. In A Good War Sylvanas fought Malfurion three times. And since A Good War conflicts with the in-game portrayal while it came afterwards, it is the canon version of their fight, as newer lore trumps older lore in case of conflict (so you talking nonsense about spamming Wrath shows you have no idea what you're talking about). Twice Malfurion ran away like a bitch, the third time all we've seen was Sylvanas throwing Malfurion into the trees before Saurfang stepped in and cut the duel short. At no point in any of their fights has Sylvanas been portrayed as losing and she commented Saurfang's intrusion into her duel with remarks on how she had trouble finishing Malfurion off (i.e. not fighting him in general) and that Malfurion was wasting her time.

As for Genn, he couldn't even scratch her face while landing a direct hit on her, when he can kill Felguards with his bare hands as shown in Broken Shore's cinematic. And their fight ended with Genn losing consciousness due to poison and almost dying from it, with him surviving only because his allies arrived there and hauled his unconscious ass out with Sylvanas graciously ignoring them all. All Genn did in that fight was achieving his non-combat objective. Which, as the name implies, has no bearing on his capacity to actually win a fight against Sylvanas, let alone other warriors' capacity to do that.

[Syegfryed]

As for Genn, he couldn't even scratch her face while landing a direct hit on her,

pretty sure he did, he even "clean" her mouth with the hand

they didn't show blood for obvious reasons.

[Mehrunes]

pretty sure he did, he even "clean" her mouth with the hand

they didn't show blood for obvious reasons.

They didn't show a wound either. Nor have they shown or even mentioned her having a scar ever since that fight. Why is that?

[Syegfryed]

They didn't show a wound either. Nor have they shown or even mentioned her having a scar ever since that fight. Why is that?

even the arrow didn't bleed or show a "wound" just the black magic.

as far as we know the magic could erase the scar, if did that with nathanos body.

We are also talking about blizzard, who is not know for consistency or logic lately

[Vitinariy]

Can we please finally have Forsaken abandon the Horde and be a separate faction?