That's just the thing - the grievances they have are generalized against anyone remotely similar. It's to the point they're just looking for an excuse to be violent or bigoted.
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Why would the cops trust the "community" when they get attacked when someone else is doing their job?
The statement was "don't break the law". If someone is going 10 miles over the speed limit the penalty should be a death sentence? No.
That was my point the simple "breaking of law" doesn't mean a death sentence.
I see though that with the last sentence you are either really young, drunk/high, and/or not really capable of rational discussions. Maybe you are just having a bad day. You need to see that anger and aggression checked into. Might be worth it one day.
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The cops get to defend themselves of course!
"just" breaking the law
The fuck? Attacking/resisting law enforcement is dramatically going to increase the chance of a suspect being harmed
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snitches get stiches
Not exactly the mindset for normal law abiding citizens
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russians instigating violence again, the mueller report showed that alot of the blm protests that went bad were actually egged on by russians posing as activist. We need to find these russian actors and exterminate them, the goal is to make people support fascism
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Phrases like 'excuse to be violent or bigoted' only apply of there aren't legit grievences.
The institution is rotten if it harbors bad LEOs. It's the institution that those people were demonstrating against.
Good cop or bad cop, the 25 that were hurt are part of that institution that lost the faith of the people it's supposed to protect through its own misconduct. The 25 people hurt how the sins of the institution can come back to bite any one in the ass so they better start getting rid of the bad LEOs and holding them accountable.
And why should the community trust the cops if the cops are dirty?Why would the cops trust the "community" when they get attacked when someone else is doing their job?
When you have an impasse between two parties, the faults generally lie with the one with the most power.
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Some of the whitest dudes I know where the ones throwing up gang signs they actually any kind of street cred.
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I've got several takeaways here, do with them what you will.
1) The adversarial relationship between low-income, primarily-black neighborhoods and law enforcement is deep, old, and complicated. It's very much a 'we didn't start the fire / but the world keeps turning and the flames keep burning,' chicken-and-egg situation at this point. A lot of these protests and riots being instigated by the extrajudicial killing of a suspect, warranted or not, are more or less the straw breaking the camel's back in most of these situations and there's a lot of collateral damage because of it. I find it hard to blame either side, because the arms race and powder keg has been fed by both the gangs (which, for better or worse, initially formed to provide community protection the cops wouldn't, but quickly fell prey to amassing power and using that power to carve out fiefdoms in poor neighborhoods) and the cops (whose ongoing arms race with gangs has led to strained if not broken relations with aforementioned low-income neighborhoods). Figuring into this is...
2) There are, in fact, bad cops that make life unnecessarily difficult and dangerous for the honest cops who are trying to keep people safe and are generally stand-up guys who will overlook minor offenses if you aren't an asshole. The St. Louis area (like Chicago and a few others) is infamous for its corrupt police force, despite multiple attempts by the St. Louis cops at community outreach and to improve their public image. In this case, it's unfortunate that they're taking the backlash for actions carried out (again, justified or not isn't the point here) by federal officers. The old adage is, 'one bad apple spoils the bunch,' and the long-standing tendency for police and DAs to cover one another only hurts in situations like this where long-standing antagonism is exacerbated relentlessly.
3) If things are bad enough that people are rioting, that usually means things have been simmering for far longer than whatever event set off the riot. And the riots don't look like some drunks setting a car on fire and turning over a van or two because Liverpool won, they look like a fucking warzone. Believe it or not, most people, even in low-income areas rife with gang activity, aren't just looking for any good excuse to set the joint on fire--after all, they live there and the money to repair whatever's burned down, shot up, or torn to hell and back usually isn't there. To quote MLK, slightly paraphrased, 'a riot is the language of the unheard.' (Side note, that whole speech can be found here and it's a fascinating read)
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The institution isn't a person, you can't hold it morally responsible. Like I said, they just needed a target to unleash anger. They all look the same, so why not.
The cops aren't "dirty" - interesting you use the same phrasing as racist anti-semites would, implying they are "unclean". Again, why should the cops trust the community that is bigoted towards them? The faults lie in the individuals causing harm. That's what a fault is.
Good cop or bad cop, the 25 that were hurt are part of that institution that lost the faith of the people it's supposed to protect through its own misconduct. The 25 people hurt how the sins of the institution can come back to bite any one in the ass so they better start getting rid of the bad LEOs and holding them accountable.
And why should the community trust the cops if the cops are dirty?
When you have an impasse between two parties, the faults generally lie with the one with the most power.
What do you mean "whitest"?Some of the whitest dudes I know where the ones throwing up gang signs they actually any kind of street cred.
A mob gathering to battle with police who shot a criminal attacking them with a deadly weapon is a fairly good indicator that the community in that area is garbage.
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We can only hope something like this affects you personally then so you can actually understand.
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Another update.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/mem...ing/index.html
If true the dude was a scumbag.US marshals were serving a warrant related to a June 3 shooting
US marshals were serving a warrant for Brandon Webber related to a June 3 shooting in Hernando, Mississippi, according to District Attorney John Champion.
Webber had been in Hernando on June 3 to answer to an ad on Facebook regarding the purchase of a vehicle, Champion said at a news conference today. Webber and the seller got in the car for a test drive.
As they were outside switching seats, Champion said Webber shot the victim five times and stole the vehicle.
The victim survived and was able to identify Webber from a photo lineup, the district attorney said. The victim is still hospitalized.
Champion said Webber used a “bogus” Facebook account and phone number when setting up the transaction.
Authorities reached out to US marshals on June 8 and asked them to arrest Webber on warrants for aggravated assault, armed robbery and conspiracy to commit armed robbery.
Webber was driving a red Infinity yesterday — the same vehicle stolen in Hernando, authorities said.
Authorities in Hernando said they are looking for a second suspect connected to the robbery and believe that person is also in Memphis. They said the suspect drove Webber to Hernando, but was not in the car for the test drive.
Every lower class neighborhood has problem elements, but this area sounds like it has more than 'elements'.
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Question for you. How many cops in these areas do you think are willing to give folks a chance? I'd say quite a few, even if there are more than the usual number of bad apples. On the flip side, how many community members are willing to give cops a chance? I'd say a lot less. I haven't heard any stories of bad neighborhoods standing up for police.
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-Darsithis
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
Honestly, I think you just shouldn't be allowed to hold black people accountable for any type of crime. It's unfair and racist.
I hear this argument a lot. There are absolutely power-hungry, sociopathic assholes in the police - but the VAST majority of them are not. This being the case, when something shitty happens, the police get the benefit of the doubt because it's more likely that they are telling the truth than it is that a suspect is.
Plenty of cases where bad cops get punished. Not enough I agree, but people like to pretend that all cops are bad because they are 'protecting' bad cops; they AREN'T. They just have to make a REALLY good case before anything can be done and that's tough.
I think I've had enough of removing avatars today that feature girls covered in semen. Closing.
-Darsithis
Violence is, to many, a last resort chosen when acting civilized gets you nowhere. I mean it is always easy to just assume that the people who riot just exploded on the first thing that ticked them off, but it is certainly possible that said community has reacted civil to racism - real or perceived, know too little of the case to tell - to no avail. Being civilized usually does not enrage racists, but rather makes them feel more powerful, since an enemy that does not fight back is perceived as weak.