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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    It's cute that you think the police do any of that.
    Ooh, I see you've abandoned any pretense of actually caring about the validity of your point and have retreated into the internet troll's favorite response. Patronizing someone.

    Enjoy acting like a 16 year old.

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  2. #182
    If Skingrad jolies kept away from the crime statistics maybe all sides would be content, when an afro-american commit a crime or is unpolite she smears the entire african continent giving it bad rep, it's like dishonour kill in vanilla.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    Funny that this isn't your tune when Nazis get punched...
    Is that something I've commented on? I'm sorry I don't remember everything I've said here, but it seems you either remember everything or chose to build straw men rather than address the actual argument presented, what a surprise! Go ahead and conflate words you don't like with violent physical action all you'd like, it only makes you look like more of an idiot than you already do.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Rhaide View Post
    Ooh, I see you've abandoned any pretense of actually caring about the validity of your point and have retreated into the internet troll's favorite response. Patronizing someone.

    Enjoy acting like a 16 year old.

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    But it's true. There's multiple SCotUS cases where the police argue that it's not their duty to protect people. SCotUS agreed with them.

    Here's one such case.

    Edit: If you don't like my tone, that's fine. You don't have to like me. But that doesn't give you an out to claim what I said is false.
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  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    But it's true. There's multiple SCotUS cases where the police argue that it's not their duty to protect people. SCotUS agreed with them.

    Here's one such case.

    Edit: If you don't like my tone, that's fine. You don't have to like me. But that doesn't give you an out to claim what I said is false.
    You picked a shitty example. Did you even read the article and the case? Guessing your ability to understand law is on par with your ability to understand who is and isn't a nazi. Nonexistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    You picked a shitty example. Did you even read the article and the case? Guessing your ability to understand law is on par with your ability to understand who is and isn't a nazi. Nonexistent.
    It is not a shitty example when the Supreme Court rules on a case. Try suing a police department now for failure to protect you. Their legal job is to enforce the laws. They have no legal obligation to protect anyone. The laws are created to protect people. The police enforce those laws. That is how it works from a legal requirement.
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  7. #187
    I have no doubt that there are bad cops in the US, but why all the blame on them? Don't Blacks commit way more crime than any other ethnic group in the United States? If you commit way more crime is it any wonder you find yourself in situations like this a lot more than other people? Should the blame not also fall on the criminals among African Americans, or on the group of people at large for producing them?

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It is not a shitty example when the Supreme Court rules on a case. Try suing a police department now for failure to protect you. Their legal job is to enforce the laws. They have no legal obligation to protect anyone. The laws are created to protect people. The police enforce those laws. That is how it works from a legal requirement.
    You didn't read it either. Those cases weren't about protection. The cases that was discussed were about preventing a crime that no one knew was going to happen. The cops couldn't just go arrest someone because they think something bad will happen. They didn't know that guy was going to kill his daughters. The other examples in that article are about domestic abuse. How are the cops going to prevent that? They can't. They can only act when a crime occurs. But if a person is pointing a gun at you, the cops have an obligation to stop that person from shooting you. Because that person is breaking the law. Thus preventing you from harm. So, yes, they are bad example. It's like cherry picking to the extreme. We aren't living in the same reality of Minority Report. Cops have to obey the law, too. They can't arrest you because they have a hunch that something will happen, maybe!!
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  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Amadeus View Post
    The anger has been building for a while, throw in another puff piece about how this is no big deal this is just a few.
    No it's a pretty big deal that people are stupid enough to attack the police for someone commit suicide by cop. He rammed vehicles and got out with a weapon before they opened fire.

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    I understand that people are mad about police violence and so, but can they atleast choose a sympathetic victim? It really looks like the guy was not a nice person and really was a bit of a scum....... I understand when it is kids.
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  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    To soft? American police aren’t soft compared to most first world country’s.

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    It’s arguable that it did start with the police with things like the war on drugs poor community policing and a few key cases of wrongful shootings. Of course the criminals are at fault as well but criminals aren’t going to just stop existing and the police shouldn’t be making a divide like they have been doing for years.
    Most of the first world doesn't have the proliferation of legal and non legal firearms the us does.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelcryo View Post
    If he was ramming police cars then genuinely did have a weapon, I can understand why they shot him. Although considering a lot of the "he had a weapon" claims that turn out to be bullshit I can see why people are skeptical. No excuse for rioting or violence though. If it turns out he did have a weapon and was smashing police cars, then I can understand the police being threatened. Although shooting a suspect should always be last resort imo.

    If it does turn out he was unarmed though, there should be criminal charges against the police. It seems that shooting someone is taken too lightly by a lot of officers. Taking someones life should always be a difficult thing you don't want to do but sometimes might have to. Where as too often, it seems like it's done just because it's the easier option. Look at the police in the UK, they have to call in armed police if they need them and often face people with weapons unarmed and manage to diffuse/handle the situation.

    As for the rioting and violence, I don't understand that. Either the police are racist and you're just giving them excuses to be violent back or they aren't and you're being violent towards people just trying to do their jobs. I especially don't understand when these riots turn into destroying local property, that just seems stupid. Destroying your own neighbourhood to spite the police, that's logical...
    Using a car to ram into/towards people drfinitely qualifies as having a weapon in my book...
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  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    Using a car to ram into/towards people drfinitely qualifies as having a weapon in my book...
    Me too but they shot him once he left the vehicle. So it's a weird one, he had a weapon but then basically disarmed himself before they shot him. If someone has a gun but then throws it on the ground, can you then shoot them after and claim they were a threat with a deadly weapon?

    Not defending the guy btw, just an interesting point to discuss.

  14. #194
    Your second fucking link is saying the officers were cleared after A SHOOTING THAT SPARKED A FUCKING RIOT are you even reading your own sources man?! Your second link literally depicts burning cars in the back and notes stones being thrown at emergency vehicles.

    Odd how certain swedes love to talk about riots of blacks in America yet somehow forgot to post a thread on that little number.

  15. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You seem to have missed the point. Nothing I said was aimed at criminals I pointed out why the average person could/would see the police as an adversarial force.

    Crime isn’t going to end that doesn’t mean police can’t have a healthier relationship with the community.
    The average person won't only people who are raised with a f*** the police mindset and criminals will. That there is this mindset is a huge psrt of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    You didn't read it either. Those cases weren't about protection. The cases that was discussed were about preventing a crime that no one knew was going to happen. The cops couldn't just go arrest someone because they think something bad will happen. They didn't know that guy was going to kill his daughters. The other examples in that article are about domestic abuse. How are the cops going to prevent that? They can't. They can only act when a crime occurs. But if a person is pointing a gun at you, the cops have an obligation to stop that person from shooting you. Because that person is breaking the law. Thus preventing you from harm. So, yes, they are bad example. It's like cherry picking to the extreme. We aren't living in the same reality of Minority Report. Cops have to obey the law, too. They can't arrest you because they have a hunch that something will happen, maybe!!
    The results of that ruling means today, cops have no legal obligation to protect the citizens. That is what matters. And yes, of course they have to obey the laws. But they do not have to protect you. They have to enforce the law, which requires them to respond to a crime being committed in a timely manner. You would lose a lawsuit if you try to sue them over failure to protect you, if the evidence shows they responded in a timely manner to the crime being permitted.
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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Themius View Post
    Your second fucking link is saying the officers were cleared after A SHOOTING THAT SPARKED A FUCKING RIOT are you even reading your own sources man?! Your second link literally depicts burning cars in the back and notes stones being thrown at emergency vehicles.

    Odd how certain swedes love to talk about riots of blacks in America yet somehow forgot to post a thread on that little number.
    Shit, I saw your post saying post a story and forgot about his second half of the one you replied to. My bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The average person won't only people who are raised with a f*** the police mindset and criminals will. That there is this mindset is a huge psrt of the problem.
    You would be very very wrong.

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  19. #199
    Police in America does not "protect and serve" the people as much as they penalize those that are not in compliance with the law and their direct authority. While that is within their job description, upholding this image is not how they'll win the hearts and minds of the people. Police are not out there to protect you but rather to get you if you as much as look at them funny. Naturally it results in a "us versus them" mentality, and if "they" decide to kill one of "us" regardless of the circumstances, people will surely be pissed. I'm not the most conforming person but even i respect and trust the local police but visiting America i'd be lying if i said i wasn't wary around cops knowing how prejudiced they are with people that look even a bit suspicious or foreign and how willing they are to use force. Funny how different the cultures can be even within culturally western nations, maybe the fact that the police in this corner of the world knows how to manage a crowd, how to de-escalate and how to, you know, not kill people as their first response to a dodgy situation has something to do with it.
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  20. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by Steelcryo View Post
    Me too but they shot him once he left the vehicle. So it's a weird one, he had a weapon but then basically disarmed himself before they shot him. If someone has a gun but then throws it on the ground, can you then shoot them after and claim they were a threat with a deadly weapon?

    Not defending the guy btw, just an interesting point to discuss.
    I suppose you could argue that the guy could’ve made it to another car or whatever and continued being a threat, don’t know the details of the first shots so idk.
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