Poll: Who is more trustworthy?

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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadite View Post
    Think what you like i guess. You have now handed those same idiots the power to take anything they want from you.
    Uh-huh. Take what exactly? Recognizing them for what they are doesn't give them the initiative on anything.

    I'm fully a believer in the idea that if you're going to attack something, carpet bomb the living fuck out of it. These people... the White Supremacists... hit them from every angle there is. If some of them are even minorly off base.. who cares. Big deal. The other angles will cover it.

    But never let up. Not for an instant.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Uh-huh. Take what exactly? Recognizing them for what they are doesn't give them the initiative on anything.

    I'm fully a believer in the idea that if you're going to attack something, carpet bomb the living fuck out of it. These people... the White Supremacists... hit them from every angle there is. If some of them are even minorly off base.. who cares. Big deal. The other angles will cover it.

    But never let up. Not for an instant.
    They can take anything they want. Any symbol or item they want. Some shit lord on 4chan decides your favourite soda is his next troll. Next thing you know they are spreading that some made up thing is a nazi dog whistle. The media pick it up and run with it. Then the same bunch of pricks in Orbitus's favourite picture are sipping your soda instead of making the Ok sign. Then you get punched for being a nazi walking down the street drinking a soda.

    If when 4chan some up with some bull shit the only time it should even make the news is to point out what a buch of retards they are for trying to make people think the ok sign is a nazi symbol. I agree with you stance on White Supremacists. So it boggles the mind to why you lend any credence to something that you know is a troll and give them underserved notoriety and publicity.

  3. #263
    In comparsion: CNN
    Still i wish they were a bit more neutral. But compared to FOX NEWS, CNN is by far far far the better news network and they are at least mostly telling the truth. Fox has the most proven lies from all tv-networks, so why should people trust them? But yes, if your only tv that you watch is fox news, then your reality become very twisted, because you simply don't know the truth.

    But you know what: research on your own, then you will see what is true or not.

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Deadite View Post
    They can take anything they want. Any symbol or item they want. Some shit lord on 4chan decides your favourite soda is his next troll. Next thing you know they are spreading that some made up thing is a nazi dog whistle. The media pick it up and run with it. Then the same bunch of pricks in Orbitus's favourite picture are sipping your soda instead of making the Ok sign. Then you get punched for being a nazi walking down the street drinking a soda.

    If when 4chan some up with some bull shit the only time it should even make the news is to point out what a buch of retards they are for trying to make people think the ok sign is a nazi symbol. I agree with you stance on White Supremacists. So it boggles the mind to why you lend any credence to something that you know is a troll and give them underserved notoriety and publicity.
    I think you give them too much power in their ability to do this. It starts and stops at a handful of things. But I mean, adopting symbols is par for the course in every movement in the world. Consider the world's Democratic Socialists. The Red Rose has been the symbol of socialism (in more modern times, Democratic socialism) for about 140 years or so. The colors red and blue, in just the last 20 years, with respect to Republican and Democratic parties. Or the rainbow flag associated with the LGBT community. None of these groups were innovators of that particularly symbolism. They just picked it up and started using it among themselves, until the new association outweighed the old.

    The fact that the Alt-Right does this is not surprising. Every movement ever has done the same. We shouldn't ascribe unusual power to them by denying them the fact that they are doing exactly that. They are a movement after all and will pick their own symbols and ways to show affiliation with each other.

    Consider Hong Kong in just the past week. All those millions of protestors? They are wearing, uniformly, Black Shirts. This will be known as the 2019 Black Shirt Protests, or something like that. They're wearing black (and using cash, and wearing masks) to hide their identities from China's state survellience, but black is now their color and everyone is wearing it who is involved, and that color is now taking on additional meanings.

    The Alt-Right is going to do this sort of thing, regardless of us, decent people, giving them "notoreity and publicity", as you put it. They do it because its a natural part of movements. Denying them the association in the context of them doing it, does not deny the fact they are doing it.

    Once these protests end in Hong Kong, people will wear black because its just part of people's regular attire. In the context of people going about their every day business, people won't associate it with anything, any more than flashing an OK hand sign in some random context means something. Just like me having red roses in my garden doesn't make me a socialist. But when a group of White Supremacists flash it together? Yeah. It means something, and will continue to do so.

  5. #265
    Both are trash, at least give a 3rd option next time.. CNN failed so hard during the last presidential election. It was sad seeing podcasts cover the event better than most major news networks.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Rageadon View Post
    lol, i dont think you know what nazis are, and you're so invested in your bubble that no matter what evidence people brings you, you will deny it, just like the muller report.
    I know exactly who Nazis are, and that is the Red Elephants, Baked Alaska and Identity Evropa. But don't worry, someone is going to teach you something, eventually.

    And the Mueller Report certainly doesn't help your side, but then again, you think Tim Pool is some amazing journalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    Looking at the current ratings CNN is being left in the garbage bin while Fox is soaring.
    Not that has much to do with being trustworthy, but it's interesting to see people finally having enough of CNN's bullshit.

    I don't watch either, as they're both bad. I tried watching Fox sometimes but found it very boring, while CNN is a sack of liars and manipulators with little interest in objectivity, neutrality and journalism in general.

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    I know Orbitus is Orbitus but I'm always amazed at people condemning journalists for doing their job.

    "He sat down and had a chat with Mao, therefore X is a Mao supporter".

    You guys have some serious issues.
    Yeah, cuz ratings means everything right? Not the factuality, right?

    And no, this isn't the first that that shitstain with the beanie has sat down or hung around with Nazis, he spends a lot of time defending them as well.

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  8. #268
    CNN is biased, Fox is straight up lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    Of course CNN. Just because lunatics want to scream whataboutism whenever Fox is caught lying doesn't make it true.

    Fox is straight propaganda, CNN is just biased a bit.
    Just shows your own bias if you think CNN is only "just biased a bit".

    The difference is that the opinion shows on Fox News are opinion shows but the news shows are actual news shows, whereas the news shows on CNN are also opinion shows that don't report actual news.
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  10. #270
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Fox News over CNN. Of course that will not be the majority opinion on this forum. But in a Research Development research poll done in 2018, Fox News was second only to BBC. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...can-2018-07-31
    Did you just try to pass off a survey done about "trust"?

    Dear Republican,

    Do you trust Faux News?

    Yes....

    ILL USE THIS AS PROOF THAT FOX NEWS IS TRUSTWORTHY.

    Let me let you in a little secret.

    SHEP SMITH IS THE ONLY PERSON EMPLOYED BY FOX NEWS THAT IS REMOTELY TRUSTABLE.

    Period. He's the only one that calls Trump a liar. He's the only one that URGED each and every American to read the Mueller report. He's the only host that CLEARLY reiterated that Muellers team did not clear Trump, and if they could have, they would have.

    Shep Smith is the only person on Fox with an ounce of credibility, and the fact that you tried to use an opinion survey poll is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    CNN is biased, Fox is straight up lies.
    CNN "bias": "Trump committed treason!, Trump colluded with Russia!, Trump stole the election from Hillary!!!!"

    Fox "lies": "The DNC coordinated with Obama, the FBI and Justice Department to let Hillary skate on gross negligence charges and to push a false narrative based on a DNC-funded Trump dossier which contained Russian propaganda"

    Seems legit
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  12. #272
    The only reason I even put CNN on is because I can't stand the hosts at Fox, and their graphics are outdated. As to the actual programming, they both spin it to fit their own narratives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scathbais View Post
    CNN "bias": "Trump committed treason!, Trump colluded with Russia!, Trump stole the election from Hillary!!!!"

    Fox "lies": "The DNC coordinated with Obama, the FBI and Justice Department to let Hillary skate on gross negligence charges and to push a false narrative based on a DNC-funded Trump dossier which contained Russian propaganda"

    Seems legit
    Purely curious, if the Mueller report didn't come to the conclusion that Trump committed treason, collusion, or anything like that and CNN and their programming basically insinuates he did, how exactly is that different than Fox in your example?

    In other words, there's no proof (or I'd imagine dem's would have his head on a platter) neither is true or false. Yet people want to, apparently, disbelieve the Mueller report and still insist he did these things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    Did you just try to pass off a survey done about "trust"?

    Dear Republican,

    Do you trust Faux News?

    Yes....

    ILL USE THIS AS PROOF THAT FOX NEWS IS TRUSTWORTHY.

    Let me let you in a little secret.

    SHEP SMITH IS THE ONLY PERSON EMPLOYED BY FOX NEWS THAT IS REMOTELY TRUSTABLE.

    Period. He's the only one that calls Trump a liar. He's the only one that URGED each and every American to read the Mueller report. He's the only host that CLEARLY reiterated that Muellers team did not clear Trump, and if they could have, they would have.

    Shep Smith is the only person on Fox with an ounce of credibility, and the fact that you tried to use an opinion survey poll is hilarious.
    Lol @Ghostpanther, looks like you hit a nerve with this guy.

    Mueller's job was not to clear Trump (Mueller used the word exonerate), it was to see if there was enough evidence to bring a conviction. There was not.
    End of story. Our justice system is not designed to exonerate someone but to seek evidence of wrongdoing. Absent of evidence, case closed.
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  14. #274
    As much as CNN has an incredible bad rep lately, I find it faaaaar more credible than Fox News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alturic View Post
    The only reason I even put CNN on is because I can't stand the hosts at Fox, and their graphics are outdated. As to the actual programming, they both spin it to fit their own narratives.

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    Purely curious, if the Mueller report didn't come to the conclusion that Trump committed treason, collusion, or anything like that and CNN and their programming basically insinuates he did, how exactly is that different than Fox in your example?

    In other words, there's no proof (or I'd imagine dem's would have his head on a platter) neither is true or false. Yet people want to, apparently, disbelieve the Mueller report and still insist he did these things?
    I think we are agreeing with each other here? The person I quoted was saying one is biased but the other lies. They are both biased.
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  16. #276
    Quote Originally Posted by tehdef View Post
    SHEP SMITH IS THE ONLY PERSON EMPLOYED BY FOX NEWS THAT IS REMOTELY TRUSTABLE.
    Shep Smith is the only person on Fox with an ounce of credibility, and the fact that you tried to use an opinion survey poll is hilarious.
    Just because you trust him, does not give him credibility.
    Both CNN and Fox are biased propaganda. Seeing that people actually believe anything on those channels is laughable. Seeing people actually down trod the other while applauding their favorite is even more hilarious.

    A lot of this in here:
    I'm smart, I listen to X. You are stupid, you listen to Y.

  17. #277
    Quote Originally Posted by Itisamuh View Post
    Asking an almost entirely left wing community whether they find a left wing or right wing media outlet more trustworthy? Not the most unbiased poll ever made but fair enough.
    Do we use the same forum? MMOC is a cesspool of hateful right-wing trash. I'd put it at 70-30.

  18. #278
    CNN seems to get the big stories wrong, while Fox seems to get more of the little stuff wrong, like whatever exaggeration or lie Trump or his office are currently pushing. The other thing to note is that it's the CNN journalists who are flubbing the big stories, while it's the Fox opinion hosts who are making their flubs.

    If you want to compare journalist to journalist, I think Fox is more trustworthy hands down. But then again, Fox is more known for it's opinion hosts, so in that respect if you are asking how trustworthy are the Fox opinion/entertainment hosts, it would probably be more compatible to how trustworthy are they compared to Late Night Comedians.

    You just have to compare apples to apples.
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  19. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    CNN seems to get the big stories wrong, while Fox seems to get more of the little stuff wrong, like whatever exaggeration or lie Trump or his office are currently pushing. The other thing to note is that it's the CNN journalists who are flubbing the big stories, while it's the Fox opinion hosts who are making their flubs.

    If you want to compare journalist to journalist, I think Fox is more trustworthy hands down. But then again, Fox is more known for it's opinion hosts, so in that respect if you are asking how trustworthy are the Fox opinion/entertainment hosts, it would probably be more compatible to how trustworthy are they compared to Late Night Comedians.

    You just have to compare apples to apples.
    Fox doesn't have journalists, besides Wallace and Smith. The rest of the lineup after those 2, are opinion shows, hell Hannity failed TWICE out of journalism school. Not to mention, Fox News actually posts outright conspiracy theories without any backlash. CNN, as far as everything goes, hasn't. This is why Fox News was called Bullshit Mountain by Jon Stewart, that is because they are.

  20. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Fox doesn't have journalists, besides Wallace and Smith. The rest of the lineup after those 2, are opinion shows, hell Hannity failed TWICE out of journalism school.
    Thank you for affirming my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    Not to mention, Fox News actually posts outright conspiracy theories without any backlash. CNN, as far as everything goes, hasn't.
    Yeah, that's not true at all. That's you wearing tribal blinders. "your side is all evil, my side is all righteous". You'll never get better until you take those blinders off and realize that both sides have people who are corrupt and need to be held accountable

    Quote Originally Posted by Orbitus View Post
    This is why Fox News was called Bullshit Mountain by Jon Stewart, that is because they are.
    Jon Stewart calls them all bullpoop. When Stewart was blasting Tucker, it was when Tucker worked for CNN, and Stewart was blasting both Tucker and Paul Begala for being partisan hacks that are only helping politicians and corporations while hurting America.

    Stewart leans left, so it makes complete sense he would get frustrated more by Fox, but he's been honest enough to say all these media outlets, on both political spectrums, are bad for the country.

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