Harvard Rescinds Admission Over Student's Hate Speech

[Eldar45]

Just how fracking hard it is to understand to do not post racist stuff if your job plan involve stuff other than gunstore or police department in the Deep South (with alternative career paths as a punk in the yard )

If you know Harvard/Google/McDonald will reject you if you post a picture of yourself in a hilarious ghost costume in front of flaming lower case t (on your Facebook account) why do so ?

This reminds me of the Kavanaugh hearing (Not the sexual assault allegations, but what he wrote in the yearbook). It's stupid comments made by immature kids when their minds are half ran by hormones.

This whole story makes me wonder why forgiveness has become a vice in the modern world. It should be one of the pillars of society.

[d00mGuArD]

Rich boy schools are for absolute retards and losers anyways, shrug, hes better off not going.

[Ahovv]

He acts like it was so long ago.

Don't get me wrong, people can dramatically change. But he hasn't explained how or why he changed other than, "It's been two years!"

My big transformation was due to psychedelics and daily meditation over a year. Nobody writes a bunch of racist garbage and then instantly understands how stupid it was.

If a school or job wanted to reject me based on horrendous things I've said in the past, those are just natural consequences.

[Bapestar]

From the article.

Harvard informs students upon their admission that the college reserves the right to withdraw its offer for several reasons, including if an admitted student “engages or has engaged in behavior that brings into question their honesty, maturity or moral character.”

[Aphrel]

If anything good comes of this, it is that kids will stop using facebook. Seriously, the day everyone on earth uses a vpn and browse the internet anonomusly needs to happen soon.

Even thou i agree this kid seems like an utter fool is really dont like the precedent this sets by Harward reading social media comments in a private facebook chat and judging based on those.

[melodramocracy]

Schools have to be very careful on who they admit to their communities. Forgiveness is nice, but why put other students at risk for it.

Parkland Student Rejected by Harvard Asks Forgiveness for Racist Comments


Before the professional outrage machine gets going for Harvard rescinding 1 kid’s acceptance after discovering he made hateful comments online.
This has been Harvard's standard proceedure for years.
They’ve done it before. It’s not some new thing and he should be held to the same standard as the kids before him. 10 kids had admissions rescinded in before.

Harvard rescinds 10 offers to students who shared hateful memes in a private Facebook group chat

This really gives people incentive to clean their rooms, and clean up their hateful language.

The lesson here is that he should have been better at sports, and all would be forgiven.

[Machismo]

https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1140665296870526976

What mark said, lefties just showing their commie trash roots , cheering for people being punished for wrong-think, or jokes, or things they said several years in the past.

This is literally how free speech is supposed to work. It's odd that you want to blame "lefties" for a conservative being racist.

He's not being punished his entire life, he's being punished two years later, when he was exhibiting similar stances just a few weeks ago, as a member of TPUSA.

[Machismo]

hate speech isnt real

It's real, it's just not illegal in the United States.

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Couldn't really find anything but that 1 silly screenshot of a blob of words and inflamatory language batween two teenage boys for shits and giggles, the fact that it wasn't the least bit funny does not speak about his personality, but just his lack of wit. but the title claims it was from before the "life changing event" aka the school shooting, and he claims to have changed since then. He was also 16 years old. so it was 2 years ago, which is a long ass time during teenage years. if that is no longer who he is (which i assume by them not being able to produce evidence that isn't 2 years old according to the article), then it is not Mr. Mini Trump that is the bigot, it is Harvard. But that is hardly surprising. at the end of the day it's their decision, they can do what they want.

Rich boy schools are for absolute retards and losers anyways, shrug, hes better off not going.

He was still a member of TPUSA a few weeks ago, so it didn't change him very much.

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The way Harvard works is that they'll do anything they want, whatever the reason is on the surface may or may not be the real reason. Back in my earlier years, I was given offers to a bunch of elite schools, Harvard included, since I was the poster child of a poor, inner-city disadvantaged kid who did extremely well at academics and was college-ready several years before your average student... basically, their main goal is optics and money. In the end I turned them down, because it was painfully obvious how conceited and superficial they were with my interactions with their administration, and exactly because of my background those types are a real turn-off and are not trustworthy. In my eyes, they acted in a very similar fashion to the leadership in the gangs where I had come from (sans the violence): they're just using you for their own ends and probably don't give a damn about you as an individual. Maybe it was showing my naivete at that time for not sucking it up and just attending there, but I honestly don't regret it at all, although having multiple offers to different schools made the choice much easier.

While this was decades ago, I haven't seen much that would cause me to change my view of them... if anything, they're probably worse from the news that comes out of that place. Obviously, not every single individual at the institution is/was like that, but there was a pervasive mentality and atmosphere of an elitist crowd when it comes to a swath of the students and faculty. To that end, as long as you're connected and fit their stereotype, you could do anything you want w/o repercussion. In the specific case of this news story, I can 100% guarantee there are students at Harvard who are known to the school and behave at the same level or much worse than what's getting this kid kicked out, which is why I can pretty much guarantee that his comments/behavior while gaming is at best a secondary reason for having his acceptance revoke.

You are making a great many assertions and baseless claims in that comment.

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The real hilarious thing is a bunch of adults reading leaked private messages from teenagers and rushing to be offended. If you want to hold people to that standard than fine, but then every thing that everyone has ever said or written should be made public starting with you.

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They aren't remotely the same situations.

So, make his words public.

Every time you are on these threads, you seem determined to defend racist behavior. I'm sensing a pattern.

[unbound]

when will white folks realize they are not allow to say nigger..aw fuck...

/eyeroll

He wasn't denied admission because of one minor slip of the tongue.

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I say we investigate the background and childhood messages of everyone in Harvard's administration.

And MMOC posters.

Go ahead.

Sorry, but most people don't, and never did, post or even talk to others as hatefully as a number of people post online.

[minkage]

I am so glad social media and everything said is forever inscribed in stone wasnt a thing back when I was a teen because man... I said some stupid shit at 16 and so did most of my friends. The rise of the internet edgelord culture has probably made "shit teens say" much worse then the late 90's era highschool I grew up in.

This kinda gives me flashbacks to the whole James Gunn/Disney mess and unfortunately I think its only going to get worse as time goes on.

[Skroe]

I'm going to share a bit of a personal story.

I went to an elite New England private secondary school around the turn of the millennium. I won't say which one, but let me put it simply: Presidents send their kids here. Famous actors and businessmen and diplomats come out of it. It doesn't send 1 or 2 kids out of a graduating class of 400 to Harvard/Princeton/Yale. It sends about 30 to each. Back in the day, it used to be half. Getting in that exorbitantly expensive, and frankly hilariously overrated and in some ways toxic as fuck private school, opens doors for you. Lots of doors. And they let you know that. All the time. And when you fucked up, there were consequences.

This was a place that, when you got bad grades in a semester, put a big red R on your dorm room door for "Restriction". They said its so the House Counselors know. Really, it's a scarlet letter, and everyone know it.

This was a place that threw a senior out for secretly keeping a car down the street. You weren't allowed to have cars. He kept one, and he got found out. Instead of giving him some kind of firm but fair punishment, four years and $110k later, they expelled him. You don't get to fuck up. You don't get to have indiscretions. That's how this works.

So anyway junior year, it's the last week of school. The student body president was this kid whose parents and grand parents went to this private school He was on the varsity lacrosse team, had a great GPA. All American, good looking, kid who had done everything right to the point of being a popular student body Presidents. He was gonna go places. Where was he tee'd up for College? Brown University, early Admissions.

Except he made mistake of for once in his life being a dumb teenager and getting caught with a little bit of weed. Harmless right?

Yeah well not so harmless, the school either had to or elected to report it to Brown University, which being Early admissions and this being May, accepted him around January of the prior year. And keep in mind, Brown has a reputation as a very liberal school. Way more than even Harvard.

What did Brown elected to do? It's not known, even almost 20 years later, but most people think they retracted his admissions. But whatever happened, this perfect kid, student body President, ended up hanging himself in a dorm stairwell the week before graduation. The week before as student body President he'd give his big speech.

First suicide at the school ever.

I'm sure it's the same now, but when I was applying to colleges - I applied to all the Ivy Leagues, got into a couple, but ended up coming to Carnegie Mellon for Computer Science - both the school and the university made sure you knew every step after acceptance that it was contingent upon good behavior and good grades and no fuck ups. If you started failing courses, they would revoke it. If you got in trouble, they would revoke it. They were not fooling around. Once you're inside the university taking classes, yeah, from what I've seen they'll bend over backwards to protect essentially "their investment". But while you're still a high schooler? If you fuck up they can go to the next name on the list.

To all the people int his thread saying something to the effect of "it's chilling and disgusting that a stupid kid can't be a stupid kid", the answer is, sure you can be. You just get to go to State School or some second or third tier university. You get to go to people who go to the most elite's school's safety.

If you want to go to the very top of the mountain... the most elite institutions... you don't fuck up, or you don't get caught. You don't get to make mistakes. It's that simple. A university is not your life. But it's an entire system at the top, designed to weed people out. You don't get to be a stupid kid and get caught. You have to be an exceptional one. The moment you show you aren't, you're replaceable.

Don't like that arrangement? There are many, many excellent state schools and 2nd tier universities you'll still do excellent in and be no worse off.

[Skroe]

No way, who could have guessed a warmonger turns out to be part of the wealthy ruling class?

Never seen that kind of story before! People literally haven't written songs about it before!

My family were middle class when I attended that school. They are wealthy now. I am independently wealthy. We are all your typical Metrowest working-wealthy, as they're called. I'm proud of what we've built. There is no shame in wealth and success. I'm also a second generation American one side (my grand parents and one parents first language is Spanish). I ain't got a drop of WASP blood in me, even though I went to school with a lot of them.

This "warmonger" got to where he is by making the right choices and seizing opportunities granted. It's as simple as that. Other people want to make excuses for why they fucked up. Why its okay to fuck up. Why we should be understanding. No. I never did. Not once. I never took the immense sacrifices my parents made for me for granted. Even as a 16 year old, I got it. You think my academician parents could easily afford to pay $35,000 a year each for high school for my brother and I? Hell no.

And here we are, 20 years later. And things went mostly right for us. Should I feel bad about that? That we're not laborers or repair men? That we aren't living paycheck to paycheck?

Give me a break.

[Najnaj]

They're only 17 or 18, now. It's recent history, and speaks directly to (lack of) character.

If they can do some good works to rebuild their reputation and demonstrate that a public apology was heartfelt and that they've invested effort into working to undo the harm that racist views can cause, they can always re-apply later. Without such, the existing lack of character is the only thing Harvard has to go on.

Nobody's saying "throw him in prison!" He just doesn't get to go to Harvard.

He doesn't get to go to Harvard for having behaved as an idiot during a short time period when he was a kid or nearly a kid. Not defending what he wrote obviously but I can forgive a 16 year old almost anything especially if they are trying to be shocking... something a lot of people do in their teens for no real reason.

I also do not think that anyone should have to rebuild their reputation for something rather minor they did at 16. It is hard to read those posts and take them seriously in any way. They read like idiotic teen boy bantering and if it is one thing teem boys are good at it is idiotic bantering.... as shown by a few of the posters on this forum.

[Najnaj]

My family were middle class when I attended that school. They are wealthy now. I am independently wealthy. We are all your typical Metrowest working-wealthy, as they're called. I'm proud of what we've built. There is no shame in wealth and success. I'm also a second generation American one side (my grand parents and one parents first language is Spanish). I ain't got a drop of WASP blood in me, even though I went to school with a lot of them.

This "warmonger" got to where he is by making the right choices and seizing opportunities granted. It's as simple as that. Other people want to make excuses for why they fucked up. Why its okay to fuck up. Why we should be understanding. No. I never did. Not once. I never took the immense sacrifices my parents made for me for granted. Even as a 16 year old, I got it. You think my academician parents could easily afford to pay $35,000 a year each for high school for my brother and I? Hell no.

And here we are, 20 years later. And things went mostly right for us. Should I feel bad about that? That we're not laborers or repair men? That we aren't living paycheck to paycheck?

Give me a break.

The bulk of your story does not support your conclusion nor does statistics. We know that children from poor families tend to remain poor. It is not a lack of intellect, ability or character, it is a lack of funds. Being poor means having a lot of hard choices in hard situations. Generally, people are poor because they are poor, not for any other reason.

[downnola]

Yes I know I know "we built that"

I've heard your shtick before, Skroe. Spare me. You have no idea what life is like outside of your bubble, which is why you are fine sending poor people to die for your agenda.

It's funny, I see a group of people consistently call Skroe a warmonger, but I don't think I've ever seen him actually call for war. What war does he want exactly?

[Skroe]

The bulk of your story does not support your conclusion nor does statistics. We know that children from poor families tend to remain poor. It is not a lack of intellect, ability or character, it is a lack of funds. Being poor means having a lot of hard choices in hard situations. Generally, people are poor because they are poor, not for any other reason.

Who is drawing any kind of conclusions? I certainly did not. I'm just talking about my own experience.

[Monster Hunter]

So the little twerp experienced consequences for the first time in his life. Will he learn from it?

no duh, things like this only work to entrench views and deepen hatreds. the majority of humans take there views being attacked or being punished for those views as vindication for holding them.

theres been a lot of study's done on that phenomena, ironically a lot of them from Harvard.

[Monster Hunter]

Who is drawing any kind of conclusions? I certainly did not. I'm just talking about my own experience.

as some one from the middle class, you should probably keep your opinions of the working class to you're self, don't make us get the guillotine's again
but seriously theres nothing worse than a middle class person complaining, grab a frappe from Starbucks and enjoy not having to worry if you can afford enough petrol to get to work next week like my dad had to.

[Malaky]

Apologizing does nothing. So never apologize. They won't care anyway.

[Skroe]

It's funny, I see a group of people consistently call Skroe a warmonger, but I don't think I've ever seen him actually call for war. What war does he want exactly?

Maybe they mean the Iran War (that I've said for years, including in the last few days, would be the single stupdiest, and most illegal thing the US could do).

Maybe they mean the Afghan War, which I said the US should have left back in 2005.

Maybe they mean the ISIS War, which I spent four years on this forum calling "illegal" because Barack Obama did not seek an AUMF and Republicans and Democrats alike were pleased to not have to take responsibility on a 'war vote' that could come back to haunt them.

Perhaps they mean Libya, which I've said was a pointless distraction... a war we didn't even start (thanks Sarkozy/Cameron) but provided the heavy lifting anyway... that destabilized a region for decades to come.

Maybe they are referring to the Iraq War, which I've explained in detail the process that moved from from an ardent supporter back in 2003 to filled to the brim with regret and remorse (and lessons learned) in 2019.

Perhaps it's the combined War on Terror / Iraq War, which I've referred to repeatedly as "the single most significant 'imperial' mistake in 300 years and on the scale of a strategic disaster as Napoleon marching on Russia".

No what they are actually referring to is I think it's okay to spend tax payer dollars on warships and bombers to sail and fly past Russian and China to deter them. Because these foreign policy know-nothings (and that's exactly what they are) think deterrence is the same as war.

My best friend, a poor kid from Pennsylvania by the way, did 3 hard tours in Afghanistan and just had his first baby. A happy ending to a tough 7 years. A lot of soldiers don't get that happy ending. And that jabroni up thread thinks I went to send people like my closest friend to fight wars? There is almost no circumstance where we should ever do that. We should limit ourselves to making sure Russia and China don't turn the free world into the unfree, at the highest level,and that's about it.

So no wars of choice. No brush-fire wars. No drone wars. No bombing brown people. But sending a carrier strike group through the South China Sea... yeah... let's do that often.

That evidently makes me a war monger. Or @Boomzy extremely subpar in his grasp of nuances. One or the other.