Best MMO game?

[Aoewy]

Right now, I would definitely NOT suggest ESO to anyone who reads or posts on these forums. It is probably the absolute WORST game in the history of computers, and you would hate it. Seriously. Just keep playing WoW forever. ESO is bad. So, don't try ESO.

When you try too hard

[Oakshana]

Classic WoW. Retail WoW is a clusterfuck for new players

While I agree with your sentiment, I would say that for a new player starting out, that getting your footing in a first time MMO experience would be far smoother with retail wow as opposed to Classic. Classic can be frustrating in the first 10-20 levels and there is very little there to hold their hand and very little in the way of quality of life.

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Right now, I would definitely NOT suggest ESO to anyone who reads or posts on these forums. It is probably the absolute WORST game in the history of computers, and you would hate it. Seriously. Just keep playing WoW forever. ESO is bad. So, don't try ESO.

I know a lot of people who would disagree with you vehemently. I agree that ESO had a very rough start. But they made a lot of changes that have simply made it a LOT better.

[Ealyssa]

They said they were new to MMOs and Eve has a giant, giant, learning curve.

Everyone is new to EVE when they start. Nothing can prepare you to it. The only question remaining is "Are you willing to learn a game"

[Oakshana]

Oh no. It's terrible. I can assure you that everyone on MMOC would hate it. I just logged off a few minutes ago for dinner, and I can definitely say that when I log back on after dinner I will not have any fun at all. Terrible game. Stay with WoW.

*Eyes you suspiciously* I am suspicious of your motives here...

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Everyone is new to EVE when they start. Nothing can prepare you to it. The only question remaining is "Are you willing to learn a game"

EVE Online feels more like a spreadsheet than an MMO to me.

[Witchblade77]

*Eyes you suspiciously* I am suspicious of your motives here...

I'm trying to figure out if they are serious or doing the sarcastic thing since ESO has been having extra performance issues lately due to influx of players that the servers weren't quite ready to handle, so you know even more people right now might make it worse.

[Ulfric Trumpcloak]

I've been playing ESO since i stopped playing WoW late in 2017. The game is not perfect, especially the pvp side of it, but it's definitely better than WoW. The developer team is seemingly understaffed and underfunded. ESO could would be a top notch game if they gave it proper the attention.

[Th3Scourge]

While I agree with your sentiment, I would say that for a new player starting out, that getting your footing in a first time MMO experience would be far smoother with retail wow as opposed to Classic. Classic can be frustrating in the first 10-20 levels and there is very little there to hold their hand and very little in the way of quality of life.

That's what makes it easier to get into, there is no hand holding so players are free to just explore, make mistakes, learn what their class can do spend their talent points incorrectly. We've all done it, we've all been there. Retail is an easier game difficulty-wise, but in terms of the actual experience, it's quite confusing with too many things to go and do that don't necessarily make any sense and creates a jarring experience. Classic, on the other hand, is quite a simple and more complete experience. For a new player, the experience is leveling and questing, which is a shambles on live servers at the moment.

[Ragnarohk]

Classic is infinitely more accessible for new players. Tell a new player to go level through retail. Nothing makes any sense

Zones are streamlined in retail. You literally get a tab called "What to do now" and the quest hubs have an overall narrative

Storry narrative and quests were all dispersed in classic. Making you go from one zone to another or ending abruptly. Hell you even had a zone with basically no quests

Gameplay is also more accesible. You don't have to go back to your class trainer for abilities. The spec tab tells you your role and what Main abilities to use.

Travel is more streamlined too

You also get to try out a class at lvl 110 before commiting to it.

How the hell is classic more accessible? Retail guides you every step of the way. Classic just throws you blindfolded into a clusterfuck.

In modern standards, classic is not an accessible game. All of the things that the #NoChanges croud condemns is what makes the game accesible now.

I can't even imagine how it would be to get to lvl 60 just to realize that the spec you liked and played isn't even viable and just trash and you're forces to heal. Nowadays all specs are viable.

All of those quality of life changes throughout 7 expansions = being more accessible

[Th3Scourge]

Zones are streamlined in retail. You literally get a tab called "What to do now" and the quest hubs have an overall narrative

Storry narrative and quests were all dispersed in classic. Making you go from one zone to another or ending abruptly. Hell you even had a zone with basically no quests

Gameplay is also more accesible. You don't have to go back to your class trainer for abilities. The spec tab tells you your role and what Main abilities to use.

Travel is more streamlined too

You also get to try out a class at lvl 110 before commiting to it.

How the hell is classic more accessible? Retail guides you every step of the way. Classic just throws you blindfolded into a clusterfuck.

In modern standards, classic is not an accessible game. All of the things that the #NoChanges croud condemns is what makes the game accesible now.

I can't even imagine how it would be to get to lvl 60 just to realize that the spec you liked and played isn't even viable and just trash and you're forces to heal. Nowadays all specs are viable.

All of those quality of life changes throughout 7 expansions = being more accessible

You're confusing accessibility with an improved experience. Retail has made steps towards making things more accessible at the expense of the immersion and experience, especially for new players. For many new players, the journey to max-level is a bigger part of the game the activities at 120. And the current 1-119 experience is woeful.

Classic doesn't throw you in blindfolded, it teaches you the game - initial quests involve explaining the combat system, class trainers, class skills and abilities, you learn locations in zones because the game makes you read quests instead of just marking your map, and then you're on your own once it's taught you the basics.

For a new player, the current retail experience is not good. Seeing two warchiefs in Org, then going questing in Silverpine and seeing Garrosh as warchief interact with Sylvanas would leave any new player scratching their head wondering why this doesn't make any sense. Seeing pointless class trainer NPCs in cities and towns would be confusing wondering why they even exist. They even sell boosts to skip the entire leveling process under 110 which should tell you that this content is such a mess you should just skip it entirely and get to max level because that's the only part of the game that matters in retail.

In short I would not recommend retail for new players. Luckily for them, they get both games for the price of one sub so I'd suggest they try both and see which they prefer

[Sorceroar]

For me, the best MMO is currently GW2. However, this is a subjective opinion because I have the greatest nostalgia for this game, as it is the only game I play (with loooong breaks) from the first day. So don't read further, just go do something else

I think GW2 has the most satisfying PVP and really nice character "progression" - unfortunately, mastery is glued to the account, so this coolest part of the progress happens only once per account. I played for a long time in WoW and ESO. Compared to GW2, WoW is empty and archaic to me. How can Blizzard destroy the potential of this world by limiting the end game only to the latest maps? ESO is cool for a short time. It has a cool story and things like robbing or killing npc, but I don't like the minimal diversification of the meta builds. Each stamina build must have a bow on swap. The fighting system itself didn't convince me. And these animations and physics of the characters. All these dresses and kind of coats glued to legs look terrible.

But okay, GW2 has many cons as well. I don't like Raids design. The bosses themselves are cool, but the fact that some classes work MUCH BETTER than others in Raids, in my opinion, is a mistake in the design of this part of the game. Also, the lack of gear progression is unfortunately the main reason that it's hard to jump into GW2 after WoW.

[Yriel]

FFXIV without a doubt. The community alone for new players is hands down the best in the genre. They even have specific channels that are FULL of people trying to help new players..

Maybe i was unlucky or it was the EU servers, whatever, when i revisitied it a year ago i found the community as annoying as in every other MMO. I played a healer, the groups just rushed through the dungeons, nobody waited when i had no mana or was looking at the drops, at one point the rest of the group was suddenly at another part of the dungeon/mansion and i didn't knew how the got there, when i asked... lets say people were not very helpful.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Maybe i was unlucky or it was the EU servers, whatever, when i revisitied it a year ago i found the community as annoying as in every other MMO. I played a healer, the groups just rushed through the dungeons, nobody waited when i had no mana or was looking at the drops, at one point the rest of the group was suddenly at another part of the dungeon/mansion and i didn't knew how the got there, when i asked... lets say people were not very helpful.

Depends on the dungeon. Some of the story dungeons are highlighted in the queue tool with bonus rewards, so many people do them once per day/id to get the bonus. These often include the story raids that people would no longer be doing since they are level 50 content, and after playing the game for a while and maxing out my 6th spec I can tell you that I no longer gave a shit about anyone in a castrum group or how far behind they lagged when fighting the ultimate weapon. Due to the nature of the cut scenes a couple people will always be stuck in them while the group just keeps on going, after all they've done these countless times already.

In most normal dungeons the interactions were fine, especially the low level ones, but once you reach the higher ones people's interest usually goes down. I'm still thankfull for the groupfinder tool, because otherwise I would have given up on the game after the first story dungeon.

[Katchii]

SWTOR is nice, but it very rarely has decent content updates. I mean Onslaught will be the first genuine expansion. And raids are usually released one boss at a time. I really enjoy the class stories but thing take a turn for the worse after that.

For a new player though, there's a TON of content to go through. once you've consumed it, yeah, they're really slow with updates, but it will take a long long time for a new player to get to that point. And the content they do have is pretty good, especially the 1-50 class story/ leveling experience.

That's what makes it easier to get into, there is no hand holding so players are free to just explore, make mistakes, learn what their class can do spend their talent points incorrectly. We've all done it, we've all been there. Retail is an easier game difficulty-wise, but in terms of the actual experience, it's quite confusing with too many things to go and do that don't necessarily make any sense and creates a jarring experience. Classic, on the other hand, is quite a simple and more complete experience. For a new player, the experience is leveling and questing, which is a shambles on live servers at the moment.

I vehemently disagree with this. Just not the type of player I am. I don't care about exploring, at least not just for the sake of exploring, I don't enjoy having to figure things out for myself, not for literally everything. For some things it is fun, but others it's just frustrating.

As to the rest of your point, I do agree that having too many things to do can make things even more confusing, especially when you're being told to go do all of them at the same time. That's kind of why I dislike not having any direction at all, it's the same conundrum, too many things to choose from and no idea which to do first with no idea or clue as to which one I SHOULD do first and what the consequences are for choosing each one.

Maybe i was unlucky or it was the EU servers, whatever, when i revisitied it a year ago i found the community as annoying as in every other MMO. I played a healer, the groups just rushed through the dungeons, nobody waited when i had no mana or was looking at the drops, at one point the rest of the group was suddenly at another part of the dungeon/mansion and i didn't knew how the got there, when i asked... lets say people were not very helpful.

Every MMO is going to have the same cesspool of players, depending on the game, they just interact with you a bit differently and you expect certain interactions.

FFXIV is no different, it just comes off on the surface as some really nice pristine environment and community but it's still an MMO, you're still going to encounter typical MMO gamers, they're just not as overtly hostile as you'd find in other games because the TOS in FFXIV are pretty harsh in regards to harassment, so players aren't openly aggressive...they're passive aggressive, which is even more infuriating IMO. But you'll still encounter bona fide good friendly people, just like everywhere else.

That said, if you're hoping for a game community to be what makes or breaks your experience, I'm not sure what to tell you because in my experience these kinds of games all pull from the same general pool of players so overall the experiences will be similar. Learning how to deal with the community is part of the experience, IMO., and FFXIV is worth it to me...same as any other MMO I choose to participate in.

[Yriel]

Every MMO is going to have the same cesspool of players, depending on the game, they just interact with you a bit differently and you expect certain interactions.

FFXIV is no different, it just comes off on the surface as some really nice pristine environment and community but it's still an MMO, you're still going to encounter typical MMO gamers, they're just not as overtly hostile as you'd find in other games because the TOS in FFXIV are pretty harsh in regards to harassment, so players aren't openly aggressive...they're passive aggressive, which is even more infuriating IMO. But you'll still encounter bona fide good friendly people, just like everywhere else.

That said, if you're hoping for a game community to be what makes or breaks your experience, I'm not sure what to tell you because in my experience these kinds of games all pull from the same general pool of players so overall the experiences will be similar. Learning how to deal with the community is part of the experience, IMO., and FFXIV is worth it to me...same as any other MMO I choose to participate in.

Yes don't get me wrong, i didn't mind it much. As i said, from my experience the playerbase in FFXIV is like in all other MMOs, i've met really nice people but also not so nice ones like in my example. I just can't confirm that it has the best community ever but maybe i just had bad luck.

[agentsi]

Maybe i was unlucky or it was the EU servers, whatever, when i revisitied it a year ago i found the community as annoying as in every other MMO. I played a healer, the groups just rushed through the dungeons, nobody waited when i had no mana or was looking at the drops, at one point the rest of the group was suddenly at another part of the dungeon/mansion and i didn't knew how the got there, when i asked... lets say people were not very helpful.

I'm sorry you had that experience. I just recently started playing again and being new to all of the content I had missed out on. People were OVERLY friendly, almost to the point where I had to say "I just need some tips, not my hand held". lol

But I play on NA servers. It is fairly common for the tank to run ahead and do larger pulls, it seems to be the norm. Once you get a feel for it, you'll be thankful for the tanks that do that. Versus the ones that tank one mob at a time. Having some friends goes a long way too. And the Novice Network is huge. Anytime someone is a jerk in that channel, a "mentor" can kick them.

I'm not here to advertise for them, but I think if you enjoyed the game, its worth giving another shot.

[Katchii]

Yes don't get me wrong, i didn't mind it much. As i said, from my experience the playerbase in FFXIV is like in all other MMOs, i've met really nice people but also not so nice ones like in my example. I just can't confirm that it has the best community ever but maybe i just had bad luck.

I made an analogy in the FFXIV thread a while ago comparing WoW and FFXIV communities to actual real life communities. It's for this analogy only, don't look too deep into it. It would take too long and too much effort to really dissect it and break it down...

WoW is like the rough part of town that gave off an aggressive "bad" vibe but was actually filled with good and decent people who wouldn't really do anything aggressive to anyone unless provoked. Once you know and understand it, it's not really threatening at all, you just need to know how to handle it.

FFXIV was like the manicured gated community that looks really pretty on the outside with a more openly friendly vibe but has that passive aggressive festering judgy mentality underneath, where some people/HoA's get super catty over stupid shit like Christmas lights and where your car is parked, but still has your fair share of honestly decent people.

[Onvious]

i never played Ultima online, but when i learned about it, it looked phenomenal

[dmiiceuk]

Black desert is best MMO game for me!
It's easy to play if you use game bases

[Faldric]

FF14 is my go to MMO when I need to scratch the mindless leveling itch. I don't have the time for raiding anymore, but FF14 is ideal for a few quick dungeon runs with whatever class I feel like playing atm.

[ParanoiD84]

WAR online was the best when it came to pvp and that's all im interested in a mmo.

But of course EA had to kill it.

Now days, gw2 is probably my fav as that one have the best pvp imo.