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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    The idiots complaining about Cyberpunk always make me laugh. Quite literally it is People getting butthurt that something with a Dystopian Theme has a negative portrayal of Human Nature within it.

    It's as if they are actually mentally retarded, like if they watched a Zombie movie and got mad that Zombies ate People. Good lord these People are genetically defective. There just isn't enough Bathtubs and toasters in the World.
    That's my issue, here.

    The complaint seems to be "this in-game ad is soulless, cheap exploitation of the transgendered! To sell soda!"

    And my response is "that's dystopian megacorps for you. Are you new to the concept of cyberpunk?"

    I just think people have lost sight of how to read these kinds of settings. I think the Handmaid's Tale TV show is emblematic; the book ends in confusion and uncertainty. The TV show's gone well beyond that, and is now (apparently) chronicling the collapse of Gilead and the rebellion's resurgence. That cheapens the story. The uncertain, uncomfortable ending is the point, not that everything ties off with a neat bow.

    The ending of Game of Thrones, same kind of thing. It was way too pat, doesn't fit with the rest of the show. Good guys "won", bad guys died, everyone named Stark wins. The entire show was dystopic; the challenge was to find any characters that were decent human beings. Worse, the show got a lot of people to root for a tyrant, which is why they were so goddamned upset about that revelation, even though it was set in Daenerys' character, in her own words, all the way back in Season 2. They needed a tragic, dystopic ending, but they knew the audience would pitch an even bigger fit, so we got what we got.

    That you're angry about these things is deliberate. That's the author's goal. If you're angry at the author, you're not paying attention and are borderline illiterate; you do not comprehend how narrative storytelling works.


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    I wish people could just ignore this noise. The more attention these people get the worse it will become. There is no winning here, because facts and reality are no longer variables in this discussion.

    Btw, is that one actually true? https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkga..._source_books/
    If so, then it's a shockingly accurate prediction for 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I wish people could just ignore this noise. The more attention these people get the worse it will become.

    Btw, is that one actually true? https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkga..._source_books/
    If so, then it's a shockingly accurate prediction for 2020.
    Not technically...

    https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkga...books/ereehzf/

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    Still astonishing for 1995, even if it was someone else. But thanks for the link, I figured that it would have been too much of a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I wish people could just ignore this noise. The more attention these people get the worse it will become. There is no winning here, because facts and reality are no longer variables in this discussion.

    Btw, is that one actually true? https://www.reddit.com/r/cyberpunkga..._source_books/
    If so, then it's a shockingly accurate prediction for 2020.
    I actually tracked it down due to another thread, beyond the above, it's also cutting off the second paragraph, describing "unity"; the entire point of the section is that the "Neo Tribes" mostly get along and let each other be what they culturally want to be, because they have mutual enemies in the corps and such that are a bigger issue than their personal cultural differences.

    It's a position that's supportive of diversity, not hostile to it. It encourages identity politics over individualism and Randian objectivism.

    It's also kinda being written by a hypothetical author from that future, and the warped perspective and internal contradiction is almost certainly deliberate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I actually tracked it down due to another thread, beyond the above, it's also cutting off the second paragraph, describing "unity"; the entire point of the section is that the "Neo Tribes" mostly get along and let each other be what they culturally want to be, because they have mutual enemies in the corps and such that are a bigger issue than their personal cultural differences.

    It's a position that's supportive of diversity, not hostile to it. It encourages identity politics over individualism and Randian objectivism.

    It's also kinda being written by a hypothetical author from that future, and the warped perspective and internal contradiction is almost certainly deliberate.
    Do you have the full text still somewhere at hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    And she also wants to be taken serious as a bad ass character in a game with a serious tone while sword fighting in heels.

    Sorry if it was anime I could take her serious, but it's not anime so I can't take her serious. Shit is dumb and it sounds like the she is doing her job if shes triggering you so bad that you think it's just "tits".

    Also lol @ the excuse about Geralt being a "desirable man" when the reality is the Witcher was always written even in the books as a male power fantasy so obviously queen feminazi is gonna take issue with it.
    ciri wears heels because a gang she kind of grew up with all wore heels and were good melee fighters. it's her "uniform" and she's comfortable with it. this shit predates the games too.

    also, the 2 most powerful beings in witcher lore are women. 4 of the top 7 most powerful beings are women.

    you don't really know much about this topic. a bunch of emotion doesn't change that. whether you like it or not, anita sarkeesian is just a dumbass leech of a human being capitalizing on ignorant folks who don't know much about anything, such as why ciri wears heels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    Do you have the full text still somewhere at hand?
    Had to stitch some of the second paragraph on from the next page, but I don't think you can see it. This is the whole section under that subtitle;



    It's frankly fucking weird that the alt-right types are going all "lol even then they knew diversity was the stupid" while citing stuff that A> directly contradicts them, and B> is pretty blatantly pro-socialist. Creating a society with "a unique culture, one secure enough to allow differences and variety to keep it strong". To quote the book directly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sopeonaroap View Post
    ciri wears heels
    Exactly, glad you get the point.

    Go try to sword fight in heels and talk to me more about how much I don't know on the topic. It looks stupid, and you're only defending it because you're attracted to a video game character.

    Meanwhile if I want to look at ridiculously sexualized designs I'll stick to who actually does it properly: Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Had to stitch some of the second paragraph on from the next page, but I don't think you can see it. This is the whole section under that subtitle;



    It's frankly fucking weird that the alt-right types are going all "lol even then they knew diversity was the stupid" while citing stuff that A> directly contradicts them, and B> is pretty blatantly pro-socialist. Creating a society with "a unique culture, one secure enough to allow differences and variety to keep it strong". To quote the book directly.
    Thanks (also for the original pictures, Myobi). Not sure I completely agree with your assassment though. While it's obvious that the usual crowd will try to use it for their own agenda, the irony lies exactly in refusing to see the other sides arguments, whicht the alt right is as much guilty of as all the worshippers of identity politics on the far left. As for the second part, it pretty much just says that once you've fucked up and the world is down the shitter, if you happened to be on the lower part of the ladder (losing side) you might as well work together to survive. I wouldn't exactly call that an endorsment of the first part, just the consequence, unless Nomads refers to some social class I'm not aware off. They are the former lower class (homeless, blue collar, etc), are they not?

    Still getting the full picture here is important, especially if it is used as more ammunition in this senseless firefight.

    Also just because I'm seeing it, I gotta laugh how the one guy in the twitter exchange of Myobi's link thinks they also predicted the formation of the EU. By 1995 it was already a stated goal for Europe to become a coalition to have a stronger position in the world of tomorrow. The political leaders of europe were openly toiling away to achieve exactly that. That isn't so much a prediction as being aware of political news of at the time..

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    Read up something very interesting earlier - apparently Rock Paper Shogun, which is putting out the hit pieces on CP2077 has direct financial ties to Epic, who are in direct competition to CDPR due to CDPR owning GOG.

    If they are doing so to appease their corporate masters, it is all a little cyberpunk dystopia going on there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Read up something very interesting earlier - apparently Rock Paper Shogun, which is putting out the hit pieces on CP2077 has direct financial ties to Epic, who are in direct competition to CDPR due to CDPR owning GOG.

    If they are doing so to appease their corporate masters, it is all a little cyberpunk dystopia going on there...
    I doubt that, but much like rotten tomatoes, RPS will never be above the suspicions because of such ties if true. It's more likely though that a couple authors/editors have just drank too much of the kool-aid or because baiting hate-clicks is just more profitable. After all kotaku is only in business because of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Exactly, glad you get the point.

    Go try to sword fight in heels and talk to me more about how much I don't know on the topic. It looks stupid, and you're only defending it because you're attracted to a video game character.

    Meanwhile if I want to look at ridiculously sexualized designs I'll stick to who actually does it properly: Japan.
    She's literally a Witch trained by a Witcher. You are arguing Realism in a World where People can train to be Magic-infused acrobatic killing machines. If you think simply heels are something considered "ridiculously sexualised", you must live a pretty sheltered life. Considering they are hardly even High set Heels and are just Boots with a raised Heel.
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    V can summon a car at any time I can already see these funny compilations using this ability.
    Also, we will not be able to remove the entire corporation or the entire gang from the city, but we can influence their further functioning.

    Source: watch?v=GQYh2d9OMIc on youtube (in polish, have fun )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haidaes View Post
    I wouldn't exactly call that an endorsment of the first part, just the consequence, unless Nomads refers to some social class I'm not aware off. They are the former lower class (homeless, blue collar, etc), are they not?
    Nope.

    They're former gangs, for the most part. They are, explicitly, the evolution of various gangs and crime cartels, mostly. The "unity" thing is the idea that they don't fight each other, that's it. So that "the Nomads" are a collective "thing", but they all get along, accepting their respective cultural differences, and they can focus their raiding and pillaging against the cities and the megacorps.

    That's why I pointed out it's very much pro-diversity, in the sense that we use it today; the acceptance of cultural differences is absolutely core to the Nomads.

    Also just because I'm seeing it, I gotta laugh how the one guy in the twitter exchange of Myobi's link thinks they also predicted the formation of the EU. By 1995 it was already a stated goal for Europe to become a coalition to have a stronger position in the world of tomorrow. The political leaders of europe were openly toiling away to achieve exactly that. That isn't so much a prediction as being aware of political news of at the time..
    None of Cyberpunk 2020 was "prophetic"; it was a natural extension and satirization of existing cultural phenomena.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorceroar View Post
    V can summon a car at any time I can already see these funny compilations using this ability.
    Also, we will not be able to remove the entire corporation or the entire gang from the city, but we can influence their further functioning.

    Source: watch?v=GQYh2d9OMIc on youtube (in polish, have fun )
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQYh2d9OMIc

    Since not many of us here will speak polish, I'm curious about the spider bot part. What is he talking there? Since the trailer I've been wondering if they moved the start of the game backwards from the previous demo. Is there anything about that in the interview?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallahadd View Post
    These all look SUPER cool. Also, didn't realise it until right this moment, but my V NEEDS a trained attack cheetah...

    Of those styles, I'd defintely go for the Neomilitarism. Never been a fan of overly gaudy looks.
    yeah they are really nice. I'm stuck between going either Entropism or Neomilitarism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enjeh View Post
    yeah they are really nice. I'm stuck between going either Entropism or Neomilitarism.
    Entropism was my first choice, but then saw Neo and was like... Yup! I need all that sleek black gear, and then combat starts and BOOM. Mantis Blade IN YO FACE!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Kami Dende View Post
    She's literally a Witch trained by a Witcher. You are arguing Realism in a World where People can train to be Magic-infused acrobatic killing machines. If you think simply heels are something considered "ridiculously sexualised", you must live a pretty sheltered life. Considering they are hardly even High set Heels and are just Boots with a raised Heel.
    Oh look found another one.

    In literally every video game unless it's a hardcore and realistic sim game you are doing shit that isn't realistic. This is a weak ass argument for characters looking out of place in comparison to the rest of the world just so they can be "dream girl" bait.

    And yes, Ciri is tacky sexualized. Not even cool sexualized like you would see from a Japanese game or anime. She is literally an emo scene girl with terrible black eye makeup, white hair and green eyes. Literally every 16 year old edge lords dream girl, and she was made that way on purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Had to stitch some of the second paragraph on from the next page, but I don't think you can see it. This is the whole section under that subtitle;



    It's frankly fucking weird that the alt-right types are going all "lol even then they knew diversity was the stupid" while citing stuff that A> directly contradicts them, and B> is pretty blatantly pro-socialist. Creating a society with "a unique culture, one secure enough to allow differences and variety to keep it strong". To quote the book directly.
    It's talking about how identity politics literally destroyed society, and now that everyone is completely fucked, they don't have time for identity politics because they have real problems again.
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