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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayhem View Post
    Oddly enough, when one asks a question it usually is marked with a question mark.
    and oddly enough i figured you wouldn't care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How is telling an employer, for example, that one of their employees was in public at a white supremacist event or on social media on a public account using their real name supporting white supremacy a bad thing? I'd think that providing public information for an employer to decide if they want to maintain a relationship with an employee given their online/public behavior is a good thing. It's up to the company at that point to decide whether their want their business associated with the public actions of their employees.
    How would annyone be able too tell something like that if he´s not activly looking for such persons with the sole intend to do this hm?

    Aka no "normal" person would ever know of this if they´re not people who would look fir it anyway...

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    How would annyone be able too tell something like that if he´s not activly looking for such persons with the sole intend to do this hm?
    What's wrong with them looking at public pictures/videos from white supremacist rallies or looking for public posts expressing white supremacist views/sympathies? It's in the public space, there's no invasion of privacy involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    Aka no "normal" person would ever know of this if they´re not people who would look fir it anyway...
    I mean, I don't have problems with people looking for folks expressing racist views in public. Do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    The problem is with ANTIFA is that they label anyone they disagree with as fascist and extremist while they themselves are fascist and extremist. There isn't anything good about ANTIFA.
    When was the last time you asked if someone was antifa, before assuming they were? The only thing that defines antra, is being against fascism. So... yeah... everyone they are against is a fascist. Just because you disagree and the person they call out disagrees, doesn’t change their stance. Just about every clans man claims to be not racist...

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  5. #145
    The title of this thread should be "plumbers and brick layers shocked at what computer technology can do!".

    I wrote computer programs in my spare time ten years ago while in grad school to help me automate my World of Warcraft video game raid guild recruitment. One traverses various sites, including forums, looking for people who meet certain qualifications and another one reaches out to them. They have been running every day, since 2008. The only thing we ever had to do as part of the recruitment process is hold a damn interview.

    If I can do that, ten years ago, for my hobby, imagine what a professor today could do for their political cause. You do realize that pretty much all state and national political campaigns since 2012 have employed ever more ambitious Big Data-centric software, particularly in the realm of analytics? And it's going to get bigger and more automated.

    This professor is not alone, and probably isn't even anywhere close to the most ambitious.

    And if we can push all that to the side for whatever reason, just remember, China is still building a database of every American living and recently deceased, and everything about us and our connections. Facebook for Chinese Intelligence.

    Welcome to the information age people.
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  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    The title of this thread should be "plumbers and brick layers shocked at what computer technology can do!".

    I wrote computer programs in my spare time ten years ago while in grad school to help me automate my World of Warcraft video game raid guild recruitment. One traverses various sites, including forums, looking for people who meet certain qualifications and another one reaches out to them. They have been running every day, since 2008. The only thing we ever had to do as part of the recruitment process is hold a damn interview.

    If I can do that, ten years ago, for my hobby, imagine what a professor today could do for their political cause. You do realize that pretty much all state and national political campaigns since 2012 have employed ever more ambitious Big Data-centric software, particularly in the realm of analytics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    What's wrong with them looking at public pictures/videos from white supremacist rallies or looking for public posts expressing white supremacist views/sympathies? It's in the public space, there's no invasion of privacy involved.



    I mean, I don't have problems with people looking for folks expressing racist views in public. Do you?
    I don´t know looking for people and then try to find out who they´re and then try to ruin them bcs they have a different opinion then you isn´t something i would say is a normal thing to do, but maybe that´s just me and it´s a totally normal thing to do...

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    What people do on their own time should have zero bearing on their employment status. Unless they represent themselves on behalf of their employer, or behave in the same manner at work, being an idiot on the internet shouldn't matter at all. Everyone is entitled to doing so, and to think otherwise, well, we now see who the real fascists are.
    My company fires a few people every year for recreational marijuana use. It's legal in my state (Massachusetts). But people in my industry have, how shall we say, a chronic problem with substance abuse, and my company isn't really interested in having our dumbly expensive work spoiled by someone who comes to work high.

    My company can terminate anyone for almost any reason that doesn't run afoul anti-discrimination laws. We sign into that. Personal conduct is very a consideration.

    And for my part, since this is still a WoW community website and the issue at hand is "online", since I took over in 2008, I've thrown people out of my WoW guild who have said the words nigger or faggot or are weird to our women members, or have many of the other personality-disorder dysfunctions common to hardcore raiders. I owe my guild's longevity and consistent success (US Top 100 every tier since Sunwell in 2008 except for Uldir) to us deciding very early to promote a professional, friendly, non-toxic environment before "toxic" was coined. There is no racism in my guild or our discord. There are no racist memes. There is no porn or NSFW section anywhere. Folks are required to follow behavioral standards for settlement disputes. And, you folks will probably find this ironic, political talk is forbidden. Politics has no place in our guild. I say nary a word about Trump or foreign policy. We have a lot of fun... we're a great community and constantly successful (don't judge us too hard Europeans raiders). But most of all, we're still here, while most of our peers back in 2008 are long dead and gone, and that's due in no small part, I feel, because we decided the kind of place we wanted to be early on, and how people should act in that place.

    And when they cross the line, out they go. Everyone is replaceable.

    So this thought... that there should be no accountability online for behavior... even within a virtual community that's horseshit. And within a real world setting, considering how much of the world now loops into something online, it is entirely right and proper there be consequences.

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    ah, so targeted harassment an attempting to destroy someone's life over a difference of opinion is "political discourse" now? Guess I'll start yanking down those coward's masks if I see them so I can snap a pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabrotar View Post
    I don´t know looking for people and then try to find out who they´re and then try to ruin them bcs they have a different opinion then you isn´t something i would say is a normal thing to do, but maybe that´s just me and it´s a totally normal thing to do...
    I have a different opinion than people on a whole host of matters. And I'm not slightly worried about people reporting my public facing social media accounts to anyone, because there's nothing there for me to be worried about.

    But yes, it's actually totally normal for activists trying to combat hate to look for people engaging in hateful activities/rhetoric and bringing them to light. This has been going on for decades and will continue to go on.

    Quote Originally Posted by kasuke06 View Post
    ah, so targeted harassment an attempting to destroy someone's life over a difference of opinion is "political discourse" now? Guess I'll start yanking down those coward's masks if I see them so I can snap a pic.
    Who's being harassed? Because from my read, it seems like people are simply sharing public information with employers and letting employers decide if they want to retain employees who hold or sympathize with white supremacist views. I don't see how that's "harassing" anyone, that's a consequence that stems from ones use of their First Amendment right to spout hate. Because the First Amendment protects individuals right to speech without government control, it doesn't protect you from consequences of engaging in speech.
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  11. #151
    I am fine with this as long as their hits are checked thoroughly to make sure it is actually real. I could see trolls too easily setting up several fake profiles of people they dislike. It would not be hard to set up these profiles, you could easily join these hate groups with them. I could see the shitheads on 4chan getting a bunch of people to create profiles of people they dislike, join hate groups, and post things that trigger the detection in the software that Megan Squire created. The last thing needed is innocent people getting caught in the crossfire. Now if there are checks before the stuff gets sent to the employer then more power to this software!

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    If you put stuff out in the open for others to read, then others are free to read it.

    Simply cataloging what people post is not wrong or shady.

    I love how people try to argue, "ignore the bigot in the back, those are just memes!"

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  13. #153
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    The problem is with ANTIFA is that they label anyone they disagree with as fascist and extremist while they themselves are fascist and extremist. There isn't anything good about ANTIFA.
    This, really. Nothing much to add.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    It's information. If it's accurate, you've got no grounds to complain. If it's not accurate, make that argument; if her methodology is crap, she'll stop getting attention.
    An accusation, shadow of doubt is enough to destroy peoples lives. We've seen it happen. It will happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasuke06 View Post
    ah, so targeted harassment an attempting to destroy someone's life over a difference of opinion is "political discourse" now?
    If you're an outspoken racist, the only person "destroying your life" when that comes out is you.

    Guess I'll start yanking down those coward's masks if I see them so I can snap a pic.
    That'd be assault and battery.

    That you can't see the difference between that and just "reading people's Facebook and other social media" is pretty crazy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    How is telling an employer, for example, that one of their employees was in public at a white supremacist event or on social media on a public account using their real name supporting white supremacy a bad thing? I'd think that providing public information for an employer to decide if they want to maintain a relationship with an employee given their online/public behavior is a good thing. It's up to the company at that point to decide whether their want their business associated with the public actions of their employees.
    One of the ultimate ironies is that most of the states that have at-will employment (your employer can fire you for any reason, aside from discrimination) are conservative states.

    I saw this quote somewhere, and it rings true, "Being gay (or black, whatever) isn't a choice, being an asshole is". People don't choose what they fundamentally "are". People do choose their behavior, like posting shitty comments on facebook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malaky View Post
    This, really. Nothing much to add.
    There is a big problem... Antifa just stands for anti-fascist. There is no one else they have issue with, but fascist.
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    It's kind of amazing that we have people on this very forum both blatantly and subtly call for the deaths of others, and clear the moderation check. They go on and on about Mexicans who end up abused and even die in the hands of ICE "Deserve it" and get off scott free. Then when they cry about others calling them racist for "disagreeing with them", and I point out their thick headedness and hypocrisy, the Thwart hammer falls on me faster than I can even check back once. What a joke this forum has become. I guess as long as people don't issue death threats to other members, saying others should die is just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwielder View Post
    An accusation, shadow of doubt is enough to destroy peoples lives. We've seen it happen. It will happen again.
    Small question... Does a fascist take a break from fascism, when they go to work?... or do they still want to get rid of their undesirable coworkers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    Small question... Does a fascist take a break from fascism, when they go to work?... or do they still want to get rid of their undesirable coworkers?
    considers them "one of the good ones" or "a credit to your race" and are tolerated for being useful. like a good dog or other working animal
    but never allowed to rise above a certain point lest they forget their "place"

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