Oregon Republicans walkout: Senators still a no-show Friday

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mpression=true

There you have it folks! The spineless Democrats cave again. Business as usual.

So l the Dem spokesman/leader said its dead because not enough votes. In the article it's not clear what this statement means, except possibly some Democrats withdrew their vote and decide to give in to Republicans.

I'm not an Oregon resident, but this very frustrating.

This is why Democrats suck at politics.

Want to not suck at politics? Shut the Legislature down until Republicans return, and run non-stop ads starting now eviscerating the Republican Senators for literally fleeing the state to avoid doing their jobs.

Democrats need to hire some god-damned Republican strategists to teach them how to bare knuckle brawl, because they're still playing with fucking kid gloves. This has been my long-standing problem with the Democratic party, they're a bunch of fucking spineless wimps.

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Fleeing to state to deny quorum is not illegal and from what I can tell in legal grey area.

Actually, it is by state law. Hence why the governor sent out law enforcement to try to bring them back to do their jobs. The problem is they fled the state, so Oregon law enforcement doesn't have jurisdiction to bring them back.

So you lost there... besides the democrats have done this before and I applauded them for doing it then as well.

It was bullshit the one time they did it, just as it's bullshit the few times Republicans have done it. This is not how effective, functional legislatures work.

Right now Oregon Republicans are just asking this to be put on the ballot which is what the majority of Oregonians want.

Citation needed*

So sounds like they are acting in the best interest of Oregonians.

That's not their job. Their job is to represent their constituents within their districts, not those from other districts.

[Themius]

Sounds like the republicans did their job. Voters turned down the bus tax last year and the state still passed it anyways.

Right now most Oregonians do not want the new HB2020 fuel tax; so the Repubicans did what they had to to deny it. I am praising them for getting it blocked as are most of rural America and businesses. It will likely be put on the ballot and will hopefully fail.

I just can't believe how partisan people are tehse days. It doesn't matter the damage it causes because party X is always fucking right.

Honestly, it doesn't matter people often do not want taxes and what not, that in the end benefit society at large.

[Santti]

Who says I wanted either of these? When it comes to any tax increases, it should ALWAYS be up to a vote by the people.

Who the hell would ever vote "Yes, I want to pay more taxes?". Taxes are rather necessary part of governance, as distasteful as it is to pay them. But to put it to a popular poll would mean instant bankruptcy, because nobody wants to pay taxes.

And sometimes, it is necessary to raise them, like I feel is what's going to happen, seeing all these wonderful results from Team Trump.

[Zython]

Fleeing to state to deny quorum is not illegal and from what I can tell in legal grey area. So you lost there... besides the democrats have done this before and I applauded them for doing it then as well.

Right now Oregon Republicans are just asking this to be put on the ballot which is what the majority of Oregonians want. So sounds like they are acting in the best interest of Oregonians.

The problem wasn't the Republicans denying quorom. The problem was them aligning with terrorist cells and threatening a fascist coup.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...mpression=true

There you have it folks! The spineless Democrats cave again. Business as usual.

So l the Dem spokesman/leader said its dead because not enough votes. In the article it's not clear what this statement means, except possibly some Democrats withdrew their vote and decide to give in to Republicans.

I'm not an Oregon resident, but this very frustrating.

Yeah, Dems just gave the GOP carte blanc to stage a new March on Rome in 2020 (or 2023). Should have just gone Ruby Ridge on their asses.

[Kellhound]

So they think acting like a coward and having a nonfunctional state government is "good" for their constituency?

In this case, absolutely it is better to have a nonfunctional state government. No government is better than harmful government.

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This is why Democrats suck at politics.

Want to not suck at politics? Shut the Legislature down until Republicans return, and run non-stop ads starting now eviscerating the Republican Senators for literally fleeing the state to avoid doing their jobs.

Democrats need to hire some god-damned Republican strategists to teach them how to bare knuckle brawl, because they're still playing with fucking kid gloves. This has been my long-standing problem with the Democratic party, they're a bunch of fucking spineless wimps.

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Actually, it is by state law. Hence why the governor sent out law enforcement to try to bring them back to do their jobs. The problem is they fled the state, so Oregon law enforcement doesn't have jurisdiction to bring them back.



It was bullshit the one time they did it, just as it's bullshit the few times Republicans have done it. This is not how effective, functional legislatures work.



Citation needed*



That's not their job. Their job is to represent their constituents within their districts, not those from other districts.

Its not illegal for them to not be there, it is however legal for the majority party to compel them to be there.


They DID act in the best interests of their constituents.

[Kaleredar]

In this case, absolutely it is better to have a nonfunctional state government. No government is better than harmful government.

In what way is what the government doing "harmful?" And don't give me that "oh boo hoo taxation" claptrap; taxes have been and are a crucial functioning of governance.

[zorkuus]

In this case, absolutely it is better to have a nonfunctional state government. No government is better than harmful government.

And WHO gets to decide when it's harmful? Sounds to me this is completely arbitrary.

[We are covfefe]

Just pout and don't do your job as an elected official. Hopefully it doesn't catch on in the House and Senate. Just sets a precedent of whenever any bill comes out that the minority party doesn't like, just leave and kill the legislative session entirely.

[zorkuus]

Just pout and don't do your job as an elected official. Hopefully it doesn't catch on in the House and Senate. Just sets a precedent of whenever any bill comes out that the minority party doesn't like, just leave and kill the legislative session entirely.

That's all the GOP is good for, obstruction. They don't know how to govern, even when they're in power. They held the presidency, the house and the senate for 2 years and they didn't accomplish a damn thing.

[Themius]

This is why Democrats suck at politics.

Want to not suck at politics? Shut the Legislature down until Republicans return, and run non-stop ads starting now eviscerating the Republican Senators for literally fleeing the state to avoid doing their jobs.

Democrats need to hire some god-damned Republican strategists to teach them how to bare knuckle brawl, because they're still playing with fucking kid gloves. This has been my long-standing problem with the Democratic party, they're a bunch of fucking spineless wimps.

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Actually, it is by state law. Hence why the governor sent out law enforcement to try to bring them back to do their jobs. The problem is they fled the state, so Oregon law enforcement doesn't have jurisdiction to bring them back.



It was bullshit the one time they did it, just as it's bullshit the few times Republicans have done it. This is not how effective, functional legislatures work.



Citation needed*



That's not their job. Their job is to represent their constituents within their districts, not those from other districts.

What pisses me off is that this is the second time, they just did this a month ago and Democrats then gave up

[zEmini]

What pisses me off is that this is the second time, they just did this a month ago and Democrats then gave up

Part of the reason why they walked out the first time was because of the new Gross Receipts tax that passed. Voters turned it down 6-4 but the state passed essentially the same thing in defiance.

There are still important bills to be passed before the session ends on the 30th, so I hope the democrats can at least negotiate with the Republicans. But right now nobody trusts them and this just shows the failed leadership under the current Governor.

FYI Constituents = Oregonians. So passing new taxes under their best interests is a bunch of bull shit.

[noidentity]

r/The_Donald finally got themselves quarantined due to threats about this situation.

[Deus Mortis]

Who the hell would ever vote "Yes, I want to pay more taxes?".

California likes to.
$2 increase to cigarette tax.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1340PT

[Santti]

California likes to.
$2 increase to cigarette tax.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1340PT

Oh, I should have thought of that.

Indeed, us Finns too are largely on board to tax the shit out of it. Same with alcohol, but I'm not so sure how popular that would be, if we would continue with the theme of taxing based on if the majority would want that. We are heavy drinkers, so I'm going to assume alcohol taxes wouldn't ever be raised based on polling the populace.

Either way, you are not running a country with just taxes that majority would be willing to pay.

[Kellhound]

And WHO gets to decide when it's harmful? Sounds to me this is completely arbitrary.

Those being harmed.

[zorkuus]

Those being harmed.

Again, arbitrary. Some do not consider themselves to be harmed by this.

[shimerra]

Those being harmed.

The lack of a functioning government and passing a law that provides long term benefits to the state is causing harm.


Why is harm defined by what you're okay with and fuck everyone else regardless of actual harm done?

[Flarelaine]

r/The_Donald finally got themselves quarantined due to threats about this situation.

True, and there's a separate thread for it. Let's keep T_D discussion quarantined in that one.

[noidentity]

True, and there's a separate thread for it. Let's keep T_D discussion quarantined in that one.

Yep, Hubcap created the thread after my post.

But yes, keep it there.

[SirBeef]

Who the hell would ever vote "Yes, I want to pay more taxes?". Taxes are rather necessary part of governance, as distasteful as it is to pay them. But to put it to a popular poll would mean instant bankruptcy, because nobody wants to pay taxes.

And sometimes, it is necessary to raise them, like I feel is what's going to happen, seeing all these wonderful results from Team Trump.

I grew up in a city in Michigan that was voted the best place to live shortly after I graduated HS. We had some of the best schools in the nation, wages were good, home values were going up. It was all good until 200ish. Millage after millage that would have improved and modernized the schools, made them more competitive in a school of choice state we had become kept getting voted down. The head of the city council wrote an OP-ED in the local paper calling for all empty nesters to sell their homes and move out because she felt all the old boomers without kids were refusing to vote for those taxes. My buddy who worked for the paper did some research and found out that it was the younger people with kids that were the ones not voting for the millages.

Not a boomers are great issue, just that most people in general would never vote for a tax increase to fix something, then turn around and bitch about that something not working.