[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[ranzino]

Imo the interesting part is how this will shape EU influence in SEA and Oceania. We have agreements in place or at work with Singapore, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand. This will increasingly place us in competition with China.
And really the big one will be the FTA with Mercosur which is very likely to happen in the near future.

aaaand FTA with Japan was in the bag months ago. the very FTA Liam Fox applauded as "3bn boost to GDP" on twitter.
but who needs +3bn and FTA's with mayor partners in UK ? pfft !!!

[Slant]

I don't think the monarchy could take control, honestly. And no doubt we'd actually have MPs and others trying to block them taking control or fucking things up even more if they somehow did take control.

Put it this way... the only reason Parliament has such a big clout over the monarchy is because the people are behind them. Or... were? Which is the point I'm making. If Parliament doesn't represent the people anymore, they lose their power over the monarchy. And certainly, no matter what the Queen would decide, it'd be better than this mess.

If you haven't noticed, this isn't entirely serious. But an interesting trail of tought. Just for funsies.

[Gibblewink]

They could just hand the reins over to the House of Lords - At least as far as Brexit goes they have seemed rather a lot more sensible.

[Mayhem]

Man, I think I'll miss dribbles drivels.

[Kallisto]

Man, I think I'll miss dribbles drivels.

He'll be back. He's done this "I'm going away never to return." thing. Comes back a week later when something happens that shows Brexit to be shit and tries to spin it as a win.

[LeGin Tufnel]

I don't mean to be controversial, but this thread has ticked along nicely for 1000+ pages without heavy-handed moderation.

Would be nice if that could continue.

Or, maybe just delete/shut down politics sub forum?

[mooforth]

Blairite cunt.

Wheres your evidence of anti-semiiteism in Labour?


Infracted.

[caervek]

My views are not welcome here, despite being one of the 17.4 million leavers and trying to represent the majority of the UK electorate.

I hate to break it to you buddy, but you can't represent the majority when you're pro Brexit as you're supporting the minority opinion. This is why your heroes are 100% against any kind of confirmatory referendum, because they still can't believe they fluked the first one on via skewed turnout and know they have no chance in hell of winning a second, especially now opinion has slid so far towards remain.

I don't think the monarchy could take control, honestly.

Actually, once the Tories elect a new leader that leader then has to request permission from the queen to form a new government. It's incredibly unlikely it would happen but the queen would be well within her rights/powers to simply say no (in which case a general election would be called).

[LeGin Tufnel]

Actually, once the Tories elect a new leader that leader then has to request permission from the queen to form a new government. It's incredibly unlikely it would happen but the queen would be well within her rights/powers to simply say no (in which case a general election would be called).

Literally, I'll bet you £1000 to your £1 that the Queen will not "simply say no".

Charity of your choice.

[Slant]

Literally, I'll bet you £1000 to your £1 that the Queen will not "simply say no".

Charity of your choice.

He just said it's incredibly unlikely. Sounds like he meant a 1/1000 chance of it happening. Don't bet against a dude that's on your side of the bet. It doesn't work like that.

[LeGin Tufnel]

He just said it's incredibly unlikely. Sounds like he meant a 1/1000 chance of it happening. Don't bet against a dude that's on your side of the bet. It doesn't work like that.

Not at all. It’s an easy £1 for Oxfam.

Anyway, at this rate the queen will be long gone by the time the UK actually Brexits.

[ranzino]

Not at all. It’s an easy £1 for Oxfam.

Anyway, at this rate the queen will be long gone by the time the UK actually Brexits.

pfft, Elizabeth the Eternal will outlive BoJo easily

[Slant]

pfft, Elizabeth the Eternal will outlive BoJo easily

She'll be the bigger loss to humanity at any rate.

[Pann]

Interestingly, despite the mess that is Boris Johnson the Cons are ahead of Lab in the latest Ipsos Mori poll. On the face of it, it would appear that the LDs are gaining votes at the expense of the Lab and that people are beginning to lose interest in BXP.

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 26% (+1)
LAB: 24% (-3)
LDM: 22% (+7)
BXP: 12% (-4)
GRN: 8% (-1)

Via IpsosMORI.
Changes w/ 10-14 May.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...07794914123777

It will be interesting to see if this is a one off or if a trend is beginning to develop in other polls.

[Kallisto]

Interestingly, despite the mess that is Boris Johnson the Cons are ahead of Lab in the latest Ipsos Mori poll. On the face of it, it would appear that the LDs are gaining votes at the expense of the Lab and that people are beginning to lose interest in BXP.

Westminster Voting Intention:

CON: 26% (+1)
LAB: 24% (-3)
LDM: 22% (+7)
BXP: 12% (-4)
GRN: 8% (-1)

Via IpsosMORI.
Changes w/ 10-14 May.

https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/s...07794914123777

It will be interesting to see if this is a one off or if a trend is beginning to develop in other polls.

I'm guessing Boris will syphon away brexit party votes while Labour dithering (well Corbyn's) is going to cost them votes until they put themselves as the main remain party. They'll lose more dithering or being a brexit party than they would going full remain.

[mojojojo202]

I'm guessing Boris will syphon away brexit party votes while Labour dithering (well Corbyn's) is going to cost them votes until they put themselves as the main remain party. They'll lose more dithering or being a brexit party than they would going full remain.

Corbyn has a really thin line to walk. Come out for Remain, he loses a huge part of his base to the Brexit Party. Support Brexit and he loses the other half of his base to the LibDems. Not really making any decision is the only real option he has.

[Elegiac]

I think if Brexiters feel comfortable that BoJo will deliver no deal (even if by default) then their loyalty to Farage is far weaker than their fear of Corbyn and the realities of FPTP would make them rally behind the Tories than risk splitting the vote. Plus however daft a few of them might be, the majority very likely realise that whoever wins the election needs to run the country as well and the "talent" Farage has rounded up is for a farm show, not parliament.
On the Lab side, quite a few Lab voters are actually moderates disenfranchised by Corbyn and if they felt Lib Dems had a good chance, they'd try and take it. You'd probably have to wait for far closer to an actual GE for strategic voting to become apparent there.

It's extremely telling, though. Were this "traditional" party dynamics with the Tories doing this abysmally Labour shouldn't have an issue.

However, that assumes that Brexit isn't the world's most intricate Idiot Plot and both major parties aren't led by complete fucking knobs.

[mojojojo202]

Ultimately it shows that Labour's electoral base is more divided than the Tories are.

That's not exactly new that though. The Labour base has been divided since the rise of New Labour.

That's what a lot of the 'moderates' seem to be forgetting. The divisions in Labour pre-debate Brexit. They presume that everyone shares their opinions... they dont.

[AeneasBK]

That's not exactly new that though. The Labour base has been divided since the rise of New Labour.

That's what a lot of the 'moderates' seem to be forgetting. The divisions in Labour pre-debate Brexit. They presume that everyone shares their opinions... they dont.

Which is 'funny' considering the whole debacle was a result of trying to bandaid schisms in the Tory party.

[LeGin Tufnel]

Must. Try. Not. To. Reply. Flarelaine. Will. Infract. Me. Again.

argh