No Buildup for New Forsaken Leader?

[Mehrunes]

After what happened to the blood elves and is about to happen to the Forsaken I'll take it. At least he isn't saved by Our Treasure God to become lawful good.

Well, at least he's out of the story. And with how pitiful it is, it's the best possible place for a character to find themselves at.

[Dagoth Ur]

Well, at least he's out of the story. And with how pitiful it is, it's the best possible place for a character to find themselves at.

Oh, just you wait for Anduin's adventures in space. I bet only reason why Sargeras is imprisoned is because Our Treasure didn't have time to heal him yet.

[Alex86el]

i'd rather see Voss in charge, rather than the Queen of Cheese.

[Mehrunes]

Oh, just you wait for Anduin's adventures in space. I bet only reason why Sargeras is imprisoned is because Our Treasure didn't have time to heal him yet.

I can already see the raid encounter in which we cleanse Sargeras with the power of Anduin's magical bones of morality.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

Voss, Garona and Rexxar acting like they've been with the Horde for years xD

Well, Rexxar has been the Champion of the Horde since the founding of Durotar, for about 20 years now (take that Blightcaller).

Garona was part of the old Horde, not exactly per her own volition. But yeah it's kinda weird to see her part of the Horde now. Didn't she have a human lover and was freed from slavery by her human best pals?

Voss is really weird indeed.

But IIRC it is impliyed that Garona and Voss were somehow coerced into joining.

[Terongor]

Being an Alliance character hasn't stopped Baine from being a leader of a Horde race. I don't see why it'd stop Calia.




It built her quite heavily as a would-be usurper even from Alliance's perspective. But hey, we live in a post-Golden view of the Forsaken in lore, so that probably won't stop Blizzard.

Because in post-Golden Forsaken lore, Calia very much is a Forsaken. Because in that lore, undead are Forsaken if they are free-willed or something. Like Delaryn and Sira are Forsaken just because. Or why Faol is Forsaken, even though it was explicitly stated in Before the Storm that he does not follow Sylvanas.

What's this, you ask? Cata made it blatantly clear that the choice newly risen undead are given is "return to the grave", "join the Forsaken" and "go your merry way as long as you don't threaten the Forsaken"? Meaning that the undead who go their merry way and refuse to join the Forsaken are obviously not Forsaken? With a clear in-game example of Rotbrain?

Shame on you for oppressing Golden with lore. You can't expect a professional author writing a novel for an already established piece of work to do basic research on the larger story she's contributing to.

I actually do agree with you there it hasn't stopped Baine, but was an family member of an horde leader so baine still has that unlike calia

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"Dark Dude watch over you." doesn't have the same ring to it.

Well technically lady in many cases is female version of lord so nathanos would be dark lord like voldemort or sauron x D

[ls-]

Well, Rexxar has been the Champion of the Horde since the founding of Durotar, for about 20 years now (take that Blightcaller).

You're slightly overestimating how much time has passed since Durotar's foundation, it happened only 11-12 years ago, we're talking about in-game time, not RL time.

[Sinraye]

I hope its Calia. She's been name dropped by Jaina and Anduin in BFA, who's off training to learn the ways of undeath to be a better leader for her people. Then there's Derrek, an uncorrupted undead that does not follow Sylvanas, being whisked away by "others like him" who are preparing to reintegrate into human society. If they're going to merge fractions, Calia is the best compromise to link Forsaken and Alliance. Nathanos said he'd follow his queen to hell, and Voss for some reason hates the Alliance in spite of previously being a neutral who hunted necromancers.

Also, I want undead paladins and this would piss off all of the Sylvanas loyalists who were reveling watching their smug queen burn Teldrassil. They will never escape being lead by a Menethil.

All hail, Calia. True Queen of Lordaeron. Lordaeron is not a country, but a people.

Calia does not understand the forsaken, she does not understand what they have gone through. Also her personality is not that of a forsaken. Not to mention that she is the sister of the guy responsible for turning the very same people into the mindless undead (scourge). She has no leadership experience, she literally decided she wants to lead on the spot in the book, made a big ruckus about it amidst the forsaken and got herself stupidly killed. If anything, she could be the leader of a alliance version of undead (light), though I find that whole concept messed up.

Sylvanas on the other hand embodies the very essence of the forsaken spirit, she is the forsaken. I find it very hard to see anyone else take that position. Voss, while an interesting character, is not a leader nor does she have leadership experience. If Blizzard is ever going to set up a new forsaken leader then it needs someone who shares the history of the forsaken, represents them, is a leader and is driven to improve the situation for her/his people.

[Adoxe]

It's most likely going to be Voss. Calia can't lead forsaken when she's leading the light bound undead.

[Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang]

You're slightly overestimating how much time has passed since Durotar's foundation, it happened only 11-12 years ago, we're talking about in-game time, not RL time.

Time distortion notwithstanding, he has been the Champion of Horde since the founding of Durotar, for almost as long as the current Horde had been what it is (more than just some orcs).

He got more seniority than the whole Forsaken faction for that matter, like the Stonemaul Ogre clan he is leading.

[Mehrunes]

It's most likely going to be Voss. Calia can't lead forsaken when she's leading the light bound undead.

Sure she can. She'll just turn all of the Forsaken into Lightbound, so that Golden's butchering of the race can be complete.

[TheImperios]

Do you expect us to have our leaders die in a meaningful way, given proper respect, have their deaths actually have an impact on the story, and replaced with actually developed and interesting characters with proper buildup? What are we, Alliance dogs?

[Thage]

They did kinda the same thing with Rokhan and the Darkspear trolls, did they not?

The sad thing is they haven't even done him the justice of being the new Darkspear Chieftain, or explaining why he's the one attending Horde leader summits/summons from the Warchief in lieu of the current Chieftain/acting Chieftain. Like Ji Firepaw, he's just the guy who got stuck dealing with all the politics so his people would have a voice at the table while sans-leader. Saurfang, too, was mentioned as the orcs' representative after Garrosh was deposed as Warchief and Vol'jin ascended to the throne, but the orcs still don't have a solid, named and titled Warchief of the Clans.

Which, sadly, yes, I can easily see them doing with the Forsaken in the event Sylvanas and her professional bootlicker both get thrown out or leave the Horde of their own accord. While I've seen some people suggest Calia, Calia seems more like she's being built up to introduce a faction of Lightforged/bound Undead to the Alliance, with Derek possibly as the first Forsaken convert. And I have to reiterate how dumb that whole plot line is considering both priests and naaru have been shown having no trouble rezzing someone; hell, Anduin rezzed Varian in a short story while he was technically still in training.

So this makes orcs, trolls, and now potentially Forsaken who all have no defined racial leader, with no work put into candidates for the job, and no signs of such on the horizon. For all the story attention they give the Horde, their actual development for the Horde (other than the Warchief) is a shit-show.

[ls-]

So this makes orcs, trolls, and now potentially Forsaken who all have no defined racial leader, with no work put into candidates for the job, and no signs of such on the horizon. For all the story attention they give the Horde, their actual development for the Horde (other than the Warchief) is a shit-show.

TBF, it seems that they're developing the Alliance through the Horde, while the Horde gets no proper development whatsoever despite having A LOT of screen time.

I mean, almost nothing happens within the Alliance itself, they almost never instigate anything, it's just the Horde that does some batshit crazy stuff out of the blue, and then the Alliance reacts and fixes everything, along the way Ally characters show some growth and get some development. But then right before the next xpack starts pretty much all of the supposed development of Horde chars is thrown out of the window, most Horde chars aren't even held accountable for what they did, they're just get soft-reset, and then the Horde once again does some batshit crazy stuff out of the blue.

Rinse, repeat.

Saurfang is prob one the best examples of Horde chars who repeatedly do some crazy stuff, he's a part of few massive wars and, if you will, genocides, he even lead some of them, yet he's never been held accountable for what he did, moreover, he even gets praise from or pitied by his victims.

"Aww, he led the force that tried to purge space goats, but now he has a PTSD because of all those slaughtered kids' screams, he's sad and suicidal, we can't judge him, aww, poor old green orc". Few years later he does the same, but instead of Draenei it's Nelves now :P The only thing that's missing is Tyrande and Malf hugging him, and Saurfang bursting into tears.

[Mehrunes]

The sad thing is they haven't even done him the justice of being the new Darkspear Chieftain, or explaining why he's the one attending Horde leader summits/summons from the Warchief in lieu of the current Chieftain/acting Chieftain. Like Ji Firepaw, he's just the guy who got stuck dealing with all the politics so his people would have a voice at the table while sans-leader. Saurfang, too, was mentioned as the orcs' representative after Garrosh was deposed as Warchief and Vol'jin ascended to the throne, but the orcs still don't have a solid, named and titled Warchief of the Clans.

Rokhan isn't even the only Darkspear attending those summits. For example, in the post-Legion celebratory feast, the only Darkspear representative was Bwemba. I think Vanira also acted in that capacity in some other meeting.

[Friendlyimmolation]

Sure she can. She'll just turn all of the Forsaken into Lightbound, so that Golden's butchering of the race can be complete.

Imagine the laughs if the Forsaken were like “thanks for making us stronger” and then keep blighting people.

[ls-]

Imagine the laughs if the Forsaken were like “thanks for making us stronger” and then keep blighting people.

With the new Holy Blight :V Now it not only dissolves your body, but also shatters your soul!

Scarlet Crusaders would spin in their graves

[Super Dickmann]

With the new Holy Blight :V Now it not only dissolves your body, but also shatters your soul!

Scarlet Crusaders would spin in their graves

While it would fuck the concept beyond repair as well, since that's slated to happen anyway, I'd take the Forsaken going "Look at us. We're the Scarlet Crusade now." over "UwU Anduin senpai n-noticed us worthless sadsacks, our lives finally have meaning OwO~~~"

[tromage2]

If they really want to make the Forsaken part of the Horde in the future then we need a plotline to get Ner'zhul back.
Ner'zhul the Orc that became the Lich King is the perfect mix what would bridge the two worlds together.

Ofc now is the question on what way do you get Ner'zhul soul and in what vessel do you put it.

[Super Dickmann]

If they really want to make the Forsaken part of the Horde in the future then we need a plotline to get Ner'zhul back.
Ner'zhul the Orc that became the Lich King is the perfect mix what would bridge the two worlds together.

Ofc now is the question on what way do you get Ner'zhul soul and in what vessel do you put it.

No need, if we're going to have a WC2 leader with an orcish background but an undead human body with a strong loyalty to the Horde who's also still around, we need look no further than Teron Gorefiend. Continue the Forsaken race by sticking those who's bodies waste away into fresh ones as a new gen of Horde Death Knights.