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  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Elegiac View Post
    Not all concentration camps are extermination camps.

    You don't have to get all huffy because you forgot Therensienstadt existed for a second there.
    Really, you think people in general think ah AOC meen Therensienstadt when she say concentration camps.

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    12> "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."
    Does this mean women can't be fascists? Or is this one of those Black White Supremacist things?

    Is this really a trait of fascism or just happenstance of previously fascist states?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fasthwaptyuiop View Post
    Translation "I have no penis. I secretly harbor white supremacist views but do not have the courage to say so in public, so I hide behind free speech, pitiful coward that I am".
    Are you equating a dick with courage?

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodonius View Post
    Really, you think people in general think ah AOC meen Therensienstadt when she say concentration camps.
    Seems to ne an USA only thing. In Gernany Dachau is well known; being the first concentration camp of Nazi Germany, and Bergen-Belsen, due to Anne Frank, and being the heart of the KZ system in Germany, handling forced laborers, jews for Auschwitz, and paricipating of killing inmates.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Rainbow Capitalist View Post
    Disagreeing with leftists. If you don't fully support the revolution you are fascists or an enabler of one.

    The leftists ruined the label.
    Every label has been ruined today. Racist, fascist, sexist, they are thrown around with such gay abandon that their original meaning is searched for everyday to prove that the branded is not what they have been called.
    Quote Originally Posted by blobbydan View Post
    We're all doomed. Let these retards shuffle the chairs on the titanic. They can die in a safe space if they want to... Whatever. What a miserable joke this life is. I can't wait until it's all finally over and I can return to the sweet oblivion of the void.

  6. #46
    The following tenets seem fairly decent as a starting point:

    Robert O. Paxton finds that the transformations undertaken by fascists in power were "profound enough to be called 'revolutionary.'" They "often set fascists into conflict with conservatives rooted in families, churches, social rank, and property."
    [F]ascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. It changed the practice of citizenship from the enjoyment of constitutional rights and duties to participation in mass ceremonies of affirmation and conformity. It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest. It expanded the powers of the executive—party and state—in a bid for total control. Finally, it unleashed aggressive emotions hitherto known in Europe only during war or social revolution.
    Interesting to note this mentality is something we get from the far-left quite a bit as well as the far-right. In other words, there is no private life, it's all political, and you need to actively protest and affirm our ideology or you are not even worthy of our contempt.

    Ultranationalism combined with the myth of national rebirth is a key foundation of fascism.
    Fascism promotes the establishment of a totalitarian state. It opposes liberal democracy, rejects multi-party systems and supports a one-party state.
    Fascism presented itself as a third position, alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism. While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism" to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity. Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism. Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments.
    Fascism emphasizes direct action, including supporting the legitimacy of political violence, as a core part of its politics. Fascism views violent action as a necessity in politics that fascism identifies as being an "endless struggle"
    It's clear from this that Fascism is not simply conservatism, or nationalism, or patriotism, or immigration-skepticism (it's also not liberalism or progressivism, for what it's worth).

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodonius View Post
    Really, you think people in general think ah AOC meen Therensienstadt when she say concentration camps.
    Actually they should be thinking of words like Manzanar and Gila River, but fat-assed conservative parasites have done their best to make sure Americans have forgotten them.

  8. #48
    Same as it always has, really. It isn't hard connecting lines to most of the things that fascism was notorious for.

    That it is often times way too generalizing, is what others have mentioned plenty of times already. Just as we do with communists.
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  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Moadar View Post
    Anyone that the left disagrees with. When you cant debate someone's point you just slap a label on them.
    Nailed it, this exactly what constitutes a fascist nowadays.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Rochana View Post
    Everyone in this thread that answered: "people who disagree with the left"
    The term "how to spot the fascist" springs to mind, indeed.

    As for on-topic: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Break The Ice View Post
    Anyone that the alt left doesn't like.
    Or the right. If you listen to both sides crazies you'll tend to notice the complaints they lodge against each other almost match. At some point both sides would be able to merge as they are basically indistinguishable from each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saninicus View Post
    The label is thrown around meaninglessly. Just like nazi on this forum. What should happen is they back it up with evidence. Now they just go call somebody a name that they don't agree with. Then pout like an indignant child.
    Hmmm nothing says indigent child like someone always demanding evidence. Then demanding apologies from random strangers. Then demanding their daddy or mods to extract an apology from some stranger.

    Indigent and demanding.

    Sorry about that.
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  13. #53
    It means you're a Heretic for being Insufficiently Anti-White.

  14. #54
    From what I have understood, anyone that disagrees with you.

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I find Umberto Eco's 14 general principles of fascism the clearest definition, in practice. They speak to the character of the movement itself, rather than particular specifics which may or may not apply. Borrowed shamelessly off Wikipedia;

    1> "The Cult of Tradition", characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by Tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.

    2> "The Rejection of modernism", which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.

    3> "The Cult of Action for Action's Sake", which dictates that action is of value in itself, and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.

    4> "Disagreement Is Treason" – Fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.

    5> "Fear of Difference", which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.

    6> "Appeal to a Frustrated Middle Class", fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.

    7> "Obsession with a Plot" and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite's 'fear' of the 1930s Jewish populace's businesses and well-doings; see also anti-Semitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson's book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.

    8> Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as "at the same time too strong and too weak." On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

    9> "Pacifism is Trafficking with the Enemy" because "Life is Permanent Warfare" – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to NOT build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.

    10> "Contempt for the Weak", which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate Leader who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.

    11> "Everybody is Educated to Become a Hero", which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, "[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death."

    12> "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality."

    13> "Selective Populism" – The People, conceived monolithically, have a Common Will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the Leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of "no longer represent[ing] the Voice of the People."

    14> "Newspeak" – Fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.

    Any one particular element isn't enough to qualify anything as "fascist", but once you get to a plurality of those features, the label starts to become meaningful.
    Very nice read I like the list
    The truth however is, this list exists in theory, in books, and in discussions.
    In real life... fascist can be anyone that disagrees with someone.

    We can't deny that the word is overused
    Many times it is used just to silence someone. And is starting to lose the meaning
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  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It's just 2019 politics. Anybody on the right is a Nazi fascist. Anybody on the left is a commie.
    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    People probably shouldn't bother making thoughtful answers to what seems to be a clear bait thread to gather the anti-left echo chamber and let them bellow at each other.

    The definition of the word hasn't changed, the only people who would argue it has are pursuing an agenda.
    You don't defeat the Anti-Whites by constantly retreating and apologizing. The only path to victory is to constantly engage them in debates and then win those debates, thus making them look foolish. Sure, that's not easy and we're going to lose a fair amount of those debates, but we need to treat those as a challenge to get better next time. They have nothing to offer other than fear and intimidation - whereas we have the truth on our side.

    But we also need to chose our battles wisely - this is after all a battle of the minds, fought almost entirely on the intellectual plain - and avoid making ourselves look foolish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    I'll be in with the group saying it's people who disagree with the left. Don't like welfare? Facist. Dont want low skill people who dont speak your language flooding your country? Fascist. Think police should be able to shoot violent criminals and home owners should be able to shoot home Invaders? Fascist. Rather have low taxes than a system where do nothings are supported? Fascist.
    For instance, this statement is mixing in some talking points that our enemies will often love to use against us.

    This has nothing to do with people speaking a language or "violent criminals" or anything like that - no, they're not us. They don't have our connection to our ancestral home lands, they don't have our bio-spirit.

    We also shouldn't use the term "violent criminals" - because this only applies to a small portion of those people, most of them are just genuinely seeking a better life - lead by false promises made by the Anti-Whites. Calling them criminals is neither fair towards those people (who often come from really bad places!), it also completely defeats our very own position, making us look very foolish and ridiculous in the eyes of the Anti-Whites.

    I love my people, I love my ancestors and embrace their heritage and achievements. But I extend that very same love and understanding to all other Non-White peoples out there. I want them to be happy as well, I want them to live a fulfilled life, where they can prosper, have a family and grow. I just strongly object to them doing that in our ancestral home lands - that's all.

    But we shouldn't call them "dangerous criminals" or even "invaders" - that's only going to lead to violence and possibly the complete and total destruction of this very planet that we're living on.

    Our most important task is that we need to re-learn how to love ourselves and our own kind again. And that we need to free ourselves from this ridiculous notion that this will inevitably lead to us hating others. The White Race is only a very tiny minority on this planet, about 8% of the total human population if I remember correctly - we can only survive by peacefully cooperating and co-existing with Non-White peoples, not by hating them.

    And while we might see them as Invaders - it's been our very own Anti-White politicians who've been incentivizing them to do so for decades - and those Anti-White elites are our enemies, not the huge masses of Non-White civilians; we'd do the exact same thing if we were in their shoes.

    Quote Originally Posted by burzian View Post
    Do you know what a concentration camp is? Where do you think the name comes from? Why are you talking about Auschwitz? Just because "concentration camps = nazi death camps" in your muddled perception of history does not mean that's actually the case. The US's Japanese internment camps were also concentration camps.
    It's one of those mind games that the Anti-Whites inflict upon us - they want to make us believe that us standing up for our own group interest and us loving our own heritage will inevitably lead to Non-White suffering. It is what we call a "Meme Pathogen" - checkout
    Quote Originally Posted by PC2 View Post
    It's just 2019 politics. Anybody on the right is a Nazi fascist. Anybody on the left is a commie.
    Quote Originally Posted by draynay View Post
    People probably shouldn't bother making thoughtful answers to what seems to be a clear bait thread to gather the anti-left echo chamber and let them bellow at each other.

    The definition of the word hasn't changed, the only people who would argue it has are pursuing an agenda.
    You don't defeat the Anti-Whites by constantly retreating and apologizing. The only path to victory is to constantly engage them in debates and then win those debates, thus making them look foolish. Sure, that's not easy and we're going to lose a fair amount of those debates, but we need to treat those as a challenge to get better next time. They have nothing to offer other than fear and intimidation - whereas we have the truth on our side.

    But we also need to chose our battles wisely - this is after all a battle of the minds, fought almost entirely on the intellectual plain - and avoid making ourselves look foolish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cruor View Post
    I'll be in with the group saying it's people who disagree with the left. Don't like welfare? Facist. Dont want low skill people who dont speak your language flooding your country? Fascist. Think police should be able to shoot violent criminals and home owners should be able to shoot home Invaders? Fascist. Rather have low taxes than a system where do nothings are supported? Fascist.
    For instance, this statement is mixing in some talking points that our enemies will often love to use against us.

    This has nothing to do with people speaking a language or "violent criminals" or anything like that - no, they're not us. They don't have our connection to our ancestral home lands, they don't have our bio-spirit.

    We also shouldn't use the term "violent criminals" - because this only applies to a small portion of those people, most of them are just genuinely seeking a better life - lead by false promises made by the Anti-Whites. Calling them criminals is neither fair towards those people (who often come from really bad places!), it also completely defeats our very own position, making us look very foolish and ridiculous in the eyes of the Anti-Whites.

    I love my people, I love my ancestors and embrace their heritage and achievements. But I extend that very same love and understanding to all other Non-White peoples out there. I want them to be happy as well, I want them to live a fulfilled life, where they can prosper, have a family and grow. I just strongly object to them doing that in our ancestral home lands - that's all.

    But we shouldn't call them "dangerous criminals" or even "invaders" - that's only going to lead to violence and possibly the complete and total destruction of this very planet that we're living on.

    Our most important task is that we need to re-learn how to love ourselves and our own kind again. And that we need to free ourselves from this ridiculous notion that this will inevitably lead to us hating others. The White Race is only a very tiny minority on this planet, about 8% of the total human population if I remember correctly - we can only survive by peacefully cooperating and co-existing with Non-White peoples, not by hating them.

    And while we might see them as Invaders - it's been our very own Anti-White politicians who've been incentivizing them to do so for decades - and those Anti-White elites are our enemies, not the huge masses of Non-White civilians; we'd do the exact same thing if we were in their shoes.

    Quote Originally Posted by burzian View Post
    Do you know what a concentration camp is? Where do you think the name comes from? Why are you talking about Auschwitz? Just because "concentration camps = nazi death camps" in your muddled perception of history does not mean that's actually the case. The US's Japanese internment camps were also concentration camps.
    It's one of those mind games that the Anti-Whites inflict upon us - they want to make us believe that us standing up for our own group interest and us loving our own heritage will inevitably lead to Non-White suffering. Checkout www.nowhiteguilt.org for more information.

    If you want to learn more about those camps and are interested in historic details, you could for instance checkout David Irving's excellent books on this topic.

    However, I wouldn't recommend this in a general conversation - you can argue as much as you want about those camps, but the general public has been fed the Hollywood narrative for way too long and it's also illegal in most European countries to even discuss these topics.

    From my experience, you'll have a much easier talk talking to average people if you stay clear of those loaded topics and instead use your own language. Tell them that there is no shame in loving your own people, your ancestors and your heritage - and how ridiculous it is to assume that this would automatically lead towards violence against others.

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by d00mGuArD View Post
    Very nice read I like the list
    Can we use on Antifa

    1, 2, 3, 4, 6? 7, 8, 9, 11, 13 and 14..... 10 or 11 out of 14 can we now mark Antrifa as “fascist” now?

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Fantomen View Post
    Can we use on Antifa

    1, 2, 3, 4, 6? 7, 8, 9, 11, 13 and 14..... 10 or 11 out of 14 can we now mark Antrifa as “fascist” now?
    Anyone that fits the criteria, no matter the ideology they claim
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  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodonius View Post
    Really, you think people in general think ah AOC meen Therensienstadt when she say concentration camps.
    Quote Originally Posted by josykay View Post
    Seems to ne an USA only thing. In Gernany Dachau is well known; being the first concentration camp of Nazi Germany, and Bergen-Belsen, due to Anne Frank, and being the heart of the KZ system in Germany, handling forced laborers, jews for Auschwitz, and paricipating of killing inmates.
    Since you guys are apparently not debating historic events, let me re-emphasize the following again - and please do not dismiss this as a "conspiracy theory":


    We have been told since early childhood that any attempt of White People to choose their own destiny, for us to feel Pride for our Ancestor's Heritage and Achievements, for us to even just exist as a unique people - let alone us having our own sovereign homeland - that all of that would inevitably lead towards Non-White suppression, death and suffering.

    There have been countless Hollywood movies portraying our peoples as the ultimate evil, countless movies where the above was reinforced and hammered into our childhood brains.

    But all of that is completely ridiculous - and does any of you really seriously believe that we're going to build Concentration Camps in which we're going to kill Non-Whites? Come on, how ridiculous is that!

    I have absolutely no problem with an open historic discussion and research of that topic - but anybody who's even just trying to suggest that we, our children or grandchildren might even consider building such camps - such a person is trying to deliver an Anti-White message to make us afraid to stand up for our own interests.

    It's also quite ridiculous - at the moment, the White Race is maybe some ~8% of the total human population - we're certainly not going to fight our way out of that mess that we're currently in! And Concentration Camps would only result in the entire planet teaming up against us - a fight impossibly to win.

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    That Jason guy is hilarious, just listened to his synthicide on YouTube. Not sure if he started this 'White Well-Being' meme. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taenaeris View Post
    But all of that is completely ridiculous - and does any of you really seriously believe that we're going to build Concentration Camps in which we're going to kill Non-Whites? Come on, how ridiculous is that!
    It's just drama. But yeah, some people will take it seriously and protest on the streets, then they'll get tired and go home. No big deal.

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