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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    If you claim to ban someone for hate speech while allowing other people using hate speech, it means there's a different reason you're banning them. We've been over this.
    More claims from you...

    It's your source, don't blame me, because you don't like the source you provided. This was literally the argument you made.

    What it means, is you are making shit up in your head, and we've been over this.

    They gave a reason for banning him, and provided his exact quote as the cause. If you have any actual evidence that it's because of "political beliefs" and not the racist hate speech he was spewing, then feel free to try and provide that. Otherwise, we'll go with your earlier source that says you are lying.

    Let me know when you realize that there's no good way out of this for you. You've already supported racism, pushed for fascism and authoritarianism, and argued against yourself.

  2. #242
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    More claims from you...

    It's your source, don't blame me, because you don't like the source you provided. This was literally the argument you made.

    What it means, is you are making shit up in your head, and we've been over this.

    They gave a reason for banning him, and provided his exact quote as the cause. If you have any actual evidence that it's because of "political beliefs" and not the racist hate speech he was spewing, then feel free to try and provide that. Otherwise, we'll go with your earlier source that says you are lying.

    Let me know when you realize that there's no good way out of this for you. You've already supported racism, pushed for fascism and authoritarianism, and argued against yourself.
    Sarah Jeong is on Patreon and Twitter, after having said many many more racist things than Sargon.
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by united View Post
    If you support nationalistic right wing politics and government, you’re a fascist.
    Fascism is a form of militant national socialism or supra-national socialism in the case of the Nazis who actually intended a federal europe in the style of the EU, not nation states (3 of the original founders of the EU were Nazis).

    It has nothing to do with the political right, fascists original enemies in Italy were the Catholic church and business owners. Much the same as modern fascists like Antifa. Similarly the fascists in Germany were enemies of businesses they saw as "jewish", and conservatives.

    What is apparent to more educated older people (and perhaps not to ignorant college age millennials) is that the "woke" movements they support are nothing more than rebrandings of the same socialist extremism that haunted the last century.

    Now let's examine the Fascist Manifesto point by point:

    -lowered voting age
    -minumum wages
    -mandatory unions partaking in the running of businesses
    -reduced retirement age
    -votes for women
    -proportional representation instead of FPTP democracy
    -maximum 8 hour workday
    -nationalisation of factories
    -progressive taxation on the middle and upper class
    -state seizure of religious assets

    Now, try thinking for yourself here. Are these the policies of the political right, or are they an almost perfect mirror of the modern left? In fact the only difference between 1930s fascism and 2019 fascism is replacing whites as the victims of jewry, with minorities as the victims of whites.

    Many people on this website - including moderators - are fascists and they don't even realise it, so poor is their historical education.

  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    Fascism is a form of militant national socialism or supra-national socialism in the case of the Nazis who actually intended a federal europe in the style of the EU, not nation states (3 of the original founders of the EU were Nazis).

    It has nothing to do with the political right, fascists original enemies in Italy were the Catholic church and business owners. Much the same as modern fascists like Antifa. Similarly the fascists in Germany were enemies of businesses they saw as "jewish", and conservatives.

    What is apparent to more educated older people (and perhaps not to ignorant college age millennials) is that the "woke" movements they support are nothing more than rebrandings of the same socialist extremism that haunted the last century.

    Now let's examine the Fascist Manifesto point by point:

    -lowered voting age
    -minumum wages
    -mandatory unions partaking in the running of businesses
    -reduced retirement age
    -votes for women
    -proportional representation instead of FPTP democracy
    -maximum 8 hour workday
    -nationalisation of factories
    -progressive taxation on the middle and upper class
    -state seizure of religious assets

    Now, try thinking for yourself here. Are these the policies of the political right, or are they an almost perfect mirror of the modern left? In fact the only difference between 1930s fascism and 2019 fascism is replacing whites as the victims of jewry, with minorities as the victims of whites.

    Many people on this website - including moderators - are fascists and they don't even realise it, so poor is their historical education.
    Jesus christ, I didn't think anyone could be worse at being wrong on this site, then you come in here and take the fucking crown. Maybe read the posts by Endus to show that you are wrong. Especially since you think Fascism is a form of socialism.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    Umm...yes they do, that's the entire point. Me liking cats is not a political view.



    You're just determined to not get it it seems.



    What exactly do you want to be done to YouTube/Google/Facebook/Amazon etc? In detail.



    Borders are authoritarian to you, your opinion on it is worthless.
    Love, the one not getting it is you.

    1. No, you liking cats is not a political view.

    2. There is nothing to get but a bad analogy. Not sure why you keep harping on about it as you have failed to make it cleared..

    3. If you do not get what I would like to have done when I say it is an anti trust issue .....

    Let me give you a little tip, when 3 people with such vastly different world views and Endus, Machismo and me tell you that you are very, very wrong. You should probably at least pay a little bit of attention and not keep banging your head against the wall.

    Google Inc could own 100% ef every media outlet in the world, every message board, TV channel and every single site on the web. They could then go ahead and ban random groups of people because ...reasons. It still would not be a free speech issue, it would be an anti trust issue. Free speech means freedom from legal consequences and since Google has no means to enforce the law this dead cat is getting deader by the second and your attempts to resurrect it does nothing.


  6. #246
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    Sarah Jeong is on Patreon and Twitter, after having said many many more racist things than Sargon.
    How does that back up your claim why he was fired? Your own source disagrees with you. I love that you are trying to deflect, but you should have stopped about 40 posts ago. Maybe you should report her to Patreon.

    You claimed he was booted for his political views. That should be easy enough to provide evidence to back up. Heck, you haven't even stated what political views they banned him for. I look forward to that evidence. Until then, you are simply supporting racism and fascism.

    Here we have a guy saying some very racist shit, then right after that, a company stops doing business with him, pointing to that racist crap he said. That seems like a pretty damn good reason to stop doing business with someone. I agree with your source, the source that says you are wrong.

    Man, imagine how angry you must be at /r/The_Donald for actually always booting people based on political beliefs. You must be screaming from every roof top in anger over that one.

  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolpve View Post
    Fascism is a form of militant national socialism or supra-national socialism
    You're half a sentence into a rant and already completely wrong about everything.

    Fascism was presented as a "Third Position", completely distinct from capitalism or socialism.

    It also bears noting that the "National Socialists" of Germany were only "socialist" if you actually thought the Nazi propaganda was speaking the truth; they were not socialist in actual practice.

    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    Sarah Jeong is on Patreon and Twitter, after having said many many more racist things than Sargon.
    Were her posts on Twitter reported, at the time they were made, and do you have proof no action was taken despite those reports?

    She didn't join Patreon until well after having made those posts, and apologized for having made them publicly. So bringing up her Patreon is just dishonest, straight up; it's not a legitimate comparison.

    And no; her comments were not more racist than Sargon's, in context. I know you're going to try and take them out of their relevant contexts, but that's not honest either.


  8. #248
    I like still to listen to music that many fascists also listen to (Metal, Neofolk and Synthwave), I have Black, Hispanic and White friends, and no I am not going to give up my Nike shoes. Those things are fucking comfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GutsAP View Post
    I see a lot of physical assault, intimidation, doxxing, censorship, etc being justified because the victims are “fascists”, but what exactly does that mean today?
    What it means is the same thing it has always meant: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

    With that said, there are a lot of people that hurl the label at others simply because they see it as an insult. In some cases, the label is actually appropriate (see the definition provided above), and in many other cases, the label is entirely inappropriate.

    As far as the tactics you describe go, they aren't generally appropriate regardless of group. That said, I've seen cases where things being claimed aren't actually true (most claims of censorship) or greatly inflated (some incidents of physical assault).

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    "Anybody the left disagrees with"

    Such disingenuous crap. Quoted this so more can see the list and try to apply them to current politicians. It's surprisingly easily done with several Republican figures, especially the president.
    Indeed and it is a good quote.
    The problem is, people that do not fit the list have been called fascists as well.

    They check the list, they say "well I am not fascist, why have I been called one??", and they come to the conclusion they have been called one to be silenced or "because I disagree with X" and they come to the forum to QQ about it.

    This is why you see so many people saying "anyone that disagrees with the left"
    And this is why you don't really see left-ish people making that silly claim. They probably have not been wrongly accused.
    Just a guess
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  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    3. If you do not get what I would like to have done when I say it is an anti trust issue .....

    Let me give you a little tip, when 3 people with such vastly different world views and Endus, Machismo and me tell you that you are very, very wrong. You should probably at least pay a little bit of attention and not keep banging your head against the wall.

    Google Inc could own 100% ef every media outlet in the world, every message board, TV channel and every single site on the web. They could then go ahead and ban random groups of people because ...reasons. It still would not be a free speech issue, it would be an anti trust issue. Free speech means freedom from legal consequences and since Google has no means to enforce the law this dead cat is getting deader by the second and your attempts to resurrect it does nothing.
    Tell me exactly what you want to have done to Google etc.
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    Tell me exactly what you want to have done to Google etc.
    What part of anti trust do you not understand?

  13. #253
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    What part of anti trust do you not understand?
    Why won't you just explain it?
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  14. #254
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    Why won't you just explain it?
    I did, there was even a video.

  15. #255
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    I did, there was even a video.
    No, you shouting antitrust and linking a video about why we need to is not explaining exactly what you want to happen to them. I want you to explain in detail what actions you want to be taken against them.
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  16. #256
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    No, you shouting antitrust and linking a video about why we need to is not explaining exactly what you want to happen to them. I want you to explain in detail what actions you want to be taken against them.
    Do you not know what anti trust laws are? This is a pretty basic concept that only does one thing. What exactly do you think it is supposed to do besides breaking up large corporation? Make cinnamon buns?

  17. #257
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    Do you not know what anti trust laws are? This is a pretty basic concept that only does one thing. What exactly do you think it is supposed to do besides breaking up large corporation? Make cinnamon buns?
    How do they break them up? Why are you so hesitant to explain this basic concept?
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  18. #258
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    How do they break them up? Why are you so hesitant to explain this basic concept?
    I'm still waiting for you to show where Patreon booted Sargon over his political views, and not hate speech.

  19. #259
    Quote Originally Posted by Post View Post
    How do they break them up? Why are you so hesitant to explain this basic concept?
    I have explained this very basic concept...it is, as the name suggests, ANTI TRUST. It is self explanatory. You are in agreement with me that Google is nearing monopoly status so given that anti trust laws only do so many things. Had you googled this when you realised that you didn't know a lot about it you could have saved us both a lot of time.

    Monopolies

    Usually, when most people hear the term "antitrust" they think of monopolies. Monopolies refer to the dominance of an industry or sector by one company or firm while cutting out the competition.

    One of the most well-known antitrust cases in recent memory involved Microsoft, which was found guilty of anti-competitive, monopolizing actions by forcing its own web browsers upon computers that had installed the Windows operating system.

    Regulators must also ensure monopolies are not borne out of a naturally competitive environment and gained market share simply through business acumen and innovation. It’s only acquiring market share through exclusionary or predatory practices that is illegal.

    Below are a few types of monopolistic behavior that can be grounds for legal action:

    Exclusive Supply Agreements: These occur when a supplier is prevented from selling to different buyers. This stifles competition against the monopolist as the company will be able to buy supplies at potentially lower costs and prevent competitors from manufacturing similar products.
    Tying the Sale of Two Products: When a monopolist has dominance in the market shares of one product but wishes to gain market shares in another product, it can tie sales of the dominant product to the second product. This forces customers for the second product to buy something they may not need or want and is a violation of antitrust laws.
    Predatory Pricing: Often hard to prove, and requiring a careful examination on the part of the FTC, predatory pricing can be considered monopolistic if the price cutting firm can cut prices far into the future and has enough market share to recoup its losses down the line.
    Refusal to Deal: Like any other company, monopolies can choose who they wish to conduct business with. However, if they use their market dominance to prevent competition, this can be considered a violation of antitrust laws.

  20. #260
    Quote Originally Posted by Najnaj View Post
    I have explained this very basic concept...it is, as the name suggests, ANTI TRUST. It is self explanatory. You are in agreement with me that Google is nearing monopoly status so given that anti trust laws only do so many things. Had you googled this when you realised that you didn't know a lot about it you could have saved us both a lot of time.
    You still refuse to say what you want actually done to Google. You keep repeating what antitrust is and that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking what you want actually done, what specific actions you want to happen against these tech companies.
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

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