Is Healthcare a human right?

[rda]

Yes, at least according to the most specific and agreed upon definitions.

Admitting as such would make the Holodomor terribly inconvenient, though.

The scope of "right to food" in your link is limited to those who are disabled, etc, and cannot get that food by themselves due to temporary or permanent limitations beyond their control.

This is not establishing a general "right to food" nor does this extrapolate to "right to healthcare".

[zenkai]

I believe it’s a human right. It’s not a right granted by governments, or the citizenship status one may have. It’s a human right. End of story.

I don't believe in forcing someone to take care of me, that's called slavery.

[crewskater]

Not if looking at humans just as animals, but if we add the fact we've advanced as a species and society, then yes.

I'm really glad I live in Europe and don't have to worry about dying if I get sick and don't have enough money. I think this should be the standard for any developed country.

It's a law in the US that if you're dying they legally have to help you regardless of status or money. Just saying..

[Dug]

It's a law in the US that if you're dying they legally have to help you regardless of status or money. Just saying..

As a life saving measure. Once they have you stable they kick you back into the streets to continue dying without proper follow up treatment.

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I don't believe in forcing someone to take care of me, that's called slavery.

I really wish you would stop acting like an edgelord and come up with an actual argument.

[zenkai]

I really wish you would stop acting like an edgelord and come up with an actual argument.

What so hard to understand what I said?

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What so hard to understand what I said?

I can understand what you said just fine. The problem is what you're describing isn't slavery. You're insulting actual slaves in an attempt to justify your lack of empathy for anyone other than yourself.

[crewskater]

As a life saving measure. Once they have you stable they kick you back into the streets to continue dying without proper follow up treatment.

Right but that's not what I was replying about. It seems a lot of people forget this fact. Not sure how many other places have that law. It's not like the UK is any better.. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/healt...-uk/index.html

[zenkai]

I can understand what you said just fine. The problem is what you're describing isn't slavery. You're insulting actual slaves in an attempt to justify your lack of empathy for anyone other than yourself.

How do you receive healthcare? Someone provides it for you. If it's a human right how do you get it without forcing someone to do it for you?

I do believe its in govenrments interested to help pay for healthcare services for it's citizens but I don't think you could or should force someone to take care of someone.

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Right but that's not what I was replying about. It seems a lot of people forget this fact. Not sure how many other places have that law. It's not like the UK is any better.. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/healt...-uk/index.html

Wow, that's sad.

[crewskater]

How do you receive healthcare? Someone provides it for you. If it's a human right how do you get it without forcing someone to do it for you?

I do believe its in govenrments interested to help pay for healthcare services for it's citizens but I don't think you could or should force someone to take care of someone.

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Wow, that's sad.

People often forget the negative consequences of any action -- they assume only good can happen and nothing bad. If we have publicly funded healthcare, the government has every right do deny you services or charge more if you smoke or do anything destructive to your body. Do we really want them making those decisions? Easy nope from me.

[Dug]

Right but that's not what I was replying about. It seems a lot of people forget this fact. Not sure how many other places have that law. It's not like the UK is any better.. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/healt...-uk/index.html

But even with private healthcare you run into that here in the US. Try to get weight loss surgery at a respectable doctor without them first making you lose weight. I think its reasonable to ask smokers and the obese to cut it out as a show of good faith.

[petej0]

People often forget the negative consequences of any action -- they assume only good can happen and nothing bad. If we have publicly funded healthcare, the government has every right do deny you services or charge more if you smoke or do anything destructive to your body. Do we really want them making those decisions? Easy nope from me.

This is something that I have always had an issue with. I think we should have a single payer system but I recognize the increased control Government will have over our lives. If the costs of health care increase too much you have to ration care and one aspect of that is to deny or place you at the bottom of the list because of the lifestyle you choose.

I dont think healthcare is a human right, it is a collective duty. Its part of being in a "healthier" society.

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But even with private healthcare you run into that here in the US. Try to get weight loss surgery at a respectable doctor without them first making you lose weight. I think its reasonable to ask smokers and the obese to cut it out as a show of good faith.

I think some of that has to do with the overall health of the person and being able to recover from the surgery.

[zenkai]

But even with private healthcare you run into that here in the US. Try to get weight loss surgery at a respectable doctor without them first making you lose weight. I think its reasonable to ask smokers and the obese to cut it out as a show of good faith.

That's because weight lost surgery won't make you lose weight on it's own, it aids in helping you but it won't fix people who eat because of emotional issues.

[crewskater]

This is something that I have always had an issue with. I think we should have a single payer system but I recognize the increased control Government will have over our lives. If the costs of health care increase too much you have to ration care and one aspect of that is to deny or place you at the bottom of the list because of the lifestyle you choose.

I dont think healthcare is a human right, it is a collective duty. Its part of being in a "healthier" society.

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I think some of that has to do with the overall health of the person and being able to recover from the surgery.

I agree with it being a collective duty. We all have a part to play.

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But even with private healthcare you run into that here in the US. Try to get weight loss surgery at a respectable doctor without them first making you lose weight. I think its reasonable to ask smokers and the obese to cut it out as a show of good faith.

IMO it should have remained private but make it so they can't deny anyone with pre-existing conditions.

[anyaka21]

If it isn't, it should be. There is way too much manipulation and corruption in a for profit health care system.

1. example: epipens rose something like 500% in price for no other reason than to give their CEO something like a $200 million dollar raise.
2. further, companies that do this, also actively prevent a similar medication from Europe from coming into the country and as thus, creating their own little monopoly, completely against a fair market value economy.
3. pharmacuetical companies also make completely addicting opiod painkillers and then also then make another medication and charge exorbatent amounts to cure people of the addiction that they caused...
4. medicine and health care in the US has ceased to become a system about finding cures for diseases, but about profit and prescribing medication to mask symptoms and ease pain. It's much more profitable to get someone on medication for life than to cure a disease.

[alturic]

Don't really know how it could remotely be considered a human right. Let me know how third-world countries can provide healthcare for their citizens. Yes, that's using the literal definition of what a human right is, but still.

[Voidism]

Of course it is/should be a right. Everyone should have a right to basic necessities of life. That includes having enough money for things like "fun", to a limit of course.

[D3thray]

Don’t compare the horrors of slavery to a healthcare initiative. I suggest growing up and gaining some perspective. (Although the pathetic thing is you’re probably an adult)

Cheers!

I’m answering the brief not giving an opinion on the state of healthcare. Should it be the responsibility of the state to provide healthcare? Arguable certainly, but ultimately it is a legitimate concern of government to provide for the general well-being of its citizens. The only real quibbles are over how that should be accomplished.

But that wasn’t the question. The question was, is healthcare a human right (presumably to be defined and defended by the UNHRC)? Just thinking a little bit about what that would entail if it was and it’s clear to see we’re talking about exactly what I stated. You know, with a little perspective considering both sides of that equation. So no it’s not a human right. I’m sure you weren’t at all conflating two separate ideas as if I were making statements on both Mr. Adult.

[nRes]

Right but that's not what I was replying about. It seems a lot of people forget this fact. Not sure how many other places have that law. It's not like the UK is any better.. https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/31/healt...-uk/index.html

My statement was meant more broadly. Not just about dropping dead, but the whole process that could lead to it or not. In Europe you get free healthcare where you can get screened, tested, examined by doctors and given opinions, then going into treatment. When I get sick or worried about something my assigned GP would examine me then send me to a specific specialist. I feel like I can go somewhere if I feel sick and I don't need to spend all my savings for a couple of tests and treatment. I can choose to go to a private hospital, but even that isn't even in the ballpark of the prices in the USA and I still get discounts and other benefits from my health insurance.