[EU] Brexit negotiations at a standstill

[ranzino]

It's not just the UK. The US will also not sign any trade agreement if the GFA is being violated.

how solid is Congress on that stance ?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

how solid is Congress on that stance ?

I think that is a WTO rule, that you can't ratify a trade deal if one of the parties is in violation of an internationally recognized peace treaty. Not sure though.

[Gibblewink]

Nancy Pelosi seemed fairly adamant that there would be no trade deal if Brexit endangered the GFA.

Trump on the other hand said there'd be no trade deal between the US and the UK if there was a trade deal with the EU. So basically the UK is not in a good spot with the US for at least this election period.

[Deamon002]

It's not just the UK. The US will also not sign any trade agreement if the GFA is being violated.

Considering how thoroughly the UK is likely to get taken to the cleaners in any US-UK trade deal signed post-Brexit, that might be a blessing in disguise.

Seriously, they think the EU drives a hard bargain? Wait until they, with all none of their vast experience negotiating international trade deals, go up against the USTR when everyone knows they're desperate for a trade deal - any trade deal. They are gonna get [INCREDIBLY CENSORED] so badly, the video will circulate on underground porn sites for decades to come.

[Slant]

I think that is a WTO rule, that you can't ratify a trade deal if one of the parties is in violation of an internationally recognized peace treaty. Not sure though.

While I think the WTO endorses the sentiment that treaties must be kept, I don't think it's got any provisions for when you break an agreement. That would elevate the WTO to some arbitrary world court status that it clearly isn't.

I'd like to see it, though, if it exists. I looked around yesterday but gave up after 5 minutes.

[Mormolyce]

It's honestly had to fathom the stupidity of anyone thinking Trump is keen to give the UK a sweetheart deal after they leave the EU. He's circling like a fucking buzzard lol.

And we all know how Trump is notoriously a soft touch on trade deals that benefit America's trading partners.

[Kallisto]

Nancy Pelosi seemed fairly adamant that there would be no trade deal if Brexit endangered the GFA.

Trump on the other hand said there'd be no trade deal between the US and the UK if there was a trade deal with the EU. So basically the UK is not in a good spot with the US for at least this election period.

Pelosi is the one to listen to. US was there when GFA was signed, they're not going to be the ones that oversaw its downfall. Especially when they have a huge number of citizens that claim to be irish and would hate to see violence brought back there.

[draykorinee]

Donald Trump’s negotiators have signalled that the next prime minister’s hopes of a post-Brexit trade deal with the United States rest on his willingness to fall in line with tough American policies against the Chinese telecoms giant Huawei.

Taking back control lol.

Falling over themselves to get a trade deal they said.

[Acidbaron]

Taking back control lol.

Falling over themselves to get a trade deal they said.

They'll gladly accept it over those laws from those tyrants in Brussels looking out for the common man their privacy and food standards, how dare they influence such things!

[Independent voter]

Let's wait for Brexit to happen.

No sense talking about an American trade deal until then. My hunch is American will be more than happy to give Britain a trade deal.

[Acidbaron]

Let's wait for Brexit to happen.

No sense talking about an American trade deal until then. My hunch is American will be more than happy to give Britain a trade deal.

So when your bait threads don't work out, you start your nonsense in existing threads?

[Crispin]

Let's wait for Brexit to happen.

No sense talking about an American trade deal until then. My hunch is American will be more than happy to give Britain a trade deal.

Ah, well glad to hear you’ll put the UK first

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Let's wait for Brexit to happen.

No sense talking about an American trade deal until then. My hunch is American will be more than happy to give Britain a trade deal.

The US will give the UK a trade deal, in that they will tell the UK that:

They will have to accept American FDA approval ratings on food
They will give the USA an effective veto on other trade deals
They will have to accept the industry arbitration panel system that the EU told the US to go fuck itself over

The deal will be very lop-sided in favour of the yanks, because that is the kind of deal that Trump makes. He is incapable of striking a deal where he has to compromise - it is his way or the highway. That much has been made clear over the last two and a half years.

This isn't wild speculation. The US ambassador laid out these terms on live TV last year.

[draykorinee]

Yeah, more than happy to give us a trade deal, they'll lube us up real good and insert the deal nicely up the back passage and we'll thank them for the pleasure because we'll be desperate.

[Slant]

Let's wait for Brexit to happen.

No sense talking about an American trade deal until then. My hunch is American will be more than happy to give Britain a trade deal.

The real question is, what will America do with its first official vassal state? This is new for you guys. Don't waste the opportunity.

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The US will give the UK a trade deal, in that they will tell the UK that:

They will have to accept American FDA approval ratings on food
They will give the USA an effective veto on other trade deals
They will have to accept the industry arbitration panel system that the EU told the US to go fuck itself over

The deal will be very lop-sided in favour of the yanks, because that is the kind of deal that Trump makes. He is incapable of striking a deal where he has to compromise - it is his way or the highway. That much has been made clear over the last two and a half years.

This isn't wild speculation. The US ambassador laid out these terms on live TV last year.

It's always how the US have operated. It's why the EU walked away from TTIP. Pointless to talk cooperative trade terms with someone whose idea of a friendly greeting is to ask how he can sue you... literally.

[Northern Goblin]

There's still no solution to the Irish border to even allow for a no-deal Brexit.

There's enough legal wrangling and Parliamentary procedure that it isn't going to be a scenario, no matter what dithering bollocks Johnson spouts.

[Slant]

There's still no solution to the Irish border to even allow for a no-deal Brexit.

There's enough legal wrangling and Parliamentary procedure that it isn't going to be a scenario, no matter what dithering bollocks Johnson spouts.

No-deal is the default state. It will happen, whether or not they have a solution. Worst case, the UK instigating this forces the EU to erect borders. Effectively, the UK would break the GFA for good.

As for their procedures... considering that pretty much their first act in this extension was to go on vacation... and now they're stunned by the PM selection process... man, you've got like three months left, of what were originally 6 months. I wouldn't count on anything useful happening in Westminster.

[Crispin]

Well I for one hope that the UK will leave ASAP. Listening to Farrages delusional british nonsense in the EU parlement is a waste of time for the other member states.

Cut the cord and let the americans take their 51st state.

[dribbles]

Well I for one hope that the UK will leave ASAP. Listening to Farrages delusional british nonsense in the EU parlement is a waste of time for the other member states.

Cut the cord and let the americans take their 51st state.

Awww you could have posted his latest classic today.

Napoleon, communism, EU defence army, destruction of the nation state - it's got it all, go on eurochums spend 2 minutes and educate yourselves, watch our Nigel tell it how it is. Being the 51st state looks the better option don't you think?

[Noradin]

Cut the cord and let the americans take their 51st state.

Why would they do that?

Standard procedure is to keep new territories as colonies for at least a few decades.