Group Finder Addons - Final Result

[MrExcelion]

Now that the beta has ended, what's the final word on group finder addons coming to Classic? Not asking whether you want it or not (I know a lot of people don't), I'm just asking if one has already been made or is in development. I think Blizzard said at one point they might try to prohibit that sort of addon but it might have been a passing comment and they could be hands off on the matter.

Haven't been paying a lot of attention to it but just curious how that turned out.

Also as a secondary topic of discussion, what other addons are out there or in development already that might majorly transform or impact the experience in the long term for Classic, in your opinion. Positively or negatively impact, doesn't matter, just what will have a major impact in your eyes.

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Can a mod change the thread title to 'Group Finder Addons - Final Result'? Decision wasn't the best choice of words for a title

[lollerlaban]

It's gonna be made, it's not even a question

[Tehterokkar]

I mean group finder addons exist in private servers, but they are just parsing data from text channels and detecting keywords eg. "LFM DME 1 tank 1 DPS" would just get put into the addon as "Dire Maul: East 0/1 Tank, 1/1 Healer, 2/3 DPS Leader: xxxpussyslayer"

[tikcol]

Mind defining "group finder" addons? Because I'm certain you have no idea what a vanilla group finder addon is

[huth]

Now that the beta has ended, what's the final word on group finder addons coming to Classic? Not asking whether you want it or not (I know a lot of people don't), I'm just asking if one has already been made or is in development. I think Blizzard said at one point they might try to prohibit that sort of addon but it might have been a passing comment and they could be hands off on the matter.

I fail to see how they could possibly do that. A group finder addon could work with little to no access to game functions, so they'd have to completely disable addons.

[Tehterokkar]

I don't know if there really IS such thing as a final word.

Either Blizzard disallows certain addons to preserve whatever we had in Classic (anecdote, I think we used some raidframe addon, a threatmeter and decursive.)

I guess a group finder addon would be something that we have now, where you can search for groups or list your group and set up parameters like what classes or ilv etc?

And if it is allowed..from where would it work? Even from inside your 5 man, making it easier to find a replacement if somebody left? That would be quite a change.

The Classic AddOn API is the same as 8.0 in basics, but some things disabled/enabled, same as with the macro API. But automation addons like Vanilla Decursive do not exist.

[MrExcelion]

I mean group finder addons exist in private servers, but they are just parsing data from text channels and detecting keywords eg. "LFM DME 1 tank 1 DPS" would just get put into the addon as "Dire Maul: East 0/1 Tank, 1/1 Healer, 2/3 DPS Leader: xxxpussyslayer"

Oh yeah, I remember about those being a thing on private servers. At the very least we could expect something like that if the 8.0 API doesn't allow for more.

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The Classic AddOn API is the same as 8.0 in basics, but some things disabled/enabled, same as with the macro API. But automation addons like Vanilla Decursive do not exist.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Classic is on the 8.0 API so I was curious what's out there now or in development. Maybe it'll just be the text thing like I just replied to, or something more advanced.

Just was pinging the board here to see how it's shaking out

I think a lot of people don't even realize it's on the 8.0 API yet, but I dunno, I guess people will find out eventually in a couple of months. With that said, is there anything pertaining to this topic that could have already been turned off or disabled? Or a comprehensive list of what's been turned off so far? Maybe not, but it's worth a shot.

Also if anyone has specific addon names I could just google them and check them out to see the scope of things

[Gorgodeus]

I fail to see how they could possibly do that. A group finder addon could work with little to no access to game functions, so they'd have to completely disable addons.

No, they would not. Addons work within a sandbox in WoW. Blizzard can deny access to any addon at any time.

[Thage]

I doubt there will be, for example, any automated party-maker addons, but a group finder addon using the sort of framework addons like MyRoleplay use (where a hidden channel is used to transmit the data from player to player so it shows up in the UI) so you can publish what you're looking for, what spec you are, and perhaps if you have experience with the dungeon/other comments (ex. Dal'Rend's Arms on reserve) sounds more than doable. I wouldn't be surprised to find such LFG addons shortly after Classic launch, if they're not already being worked on.

[Outofmana]

As dungeons are easy in _any_ case these addons aren't needed and I feel won't be used. Like, every content after vanilla had content that was actually failable, starting in Burning Crusade heroics, where people would actually care which people to get to being able to finish the run properly.

In vanilla though would people really care who comes to their stratUD? LF 1 healer last spot and you're off, I feel the chat channel is already the golden standard for that sort of stuff. Most pugs I see being made on discord signups, in the case of raiding.

[Mukind]

As dungeons are easy in _any_ case these addons aren't needed and I feel won't be used. Like, every content after vanilla had content that was actually failable, starting in Burning Crusade heroics, where people would actually care which people to get to being able to finish the run properly.

In vanilla though would people really care who comes to their stratUD? LF 1 healer last spot and you're off, I feel the chat channel is already the golden standard for that sort of stuff. Most pugs I see being made on discord signups, in the case of raiding.

I thought that too til i got on p servers....Nope

People just are too lazy to play their classes anywhere near the ceiling no matter how ez

You say it doesn't matter but when you wipe on baron ten times because your healer didn't bring any consumes and is getting shredded in his greens by the adds...You'll know

Or the mage you're relying on to kill the adds....Never does

Granted you're a Euro I'm NA. Another theme on private servers is Americans suck per capita. But still plenty of terrible players on both sides of the Atlantic

[Outofmana]

I thought that too til i got on p servers....Nope

People just are too lazy to play their classes anywhere near the ceiling no matter how ez

You say it doesn't matter but when you wipe on baron ten times because your healer didn't bring any consumes and is getting shredded in his greens by the adds...You'll know

Or the mage you're relying on to kill the adds....Never does

Granted you're a Euro I'm NA. Another theme on private servers is Americans suck per capita. But still plenty of terrible players on both sides of the Atlantic

If mage fails to aoe on pvt servers he would get talked to and ppl would try to work together to improve, and that always worked in the end, on retail I've seen a single fail or someone asking how something worked lead to a votekick, an unreal difference in attitude.

Oh sure people can fail but in my experience ppl communicate on pvt servers and try to help each other improve, whereas on retail you'd simply votekick the dude and get the new one. It's a whole different mentality imo, between my last naxx release and my guild quitting right after it, and waiting for classic, I've been playing retail and it still feels like doing 5mans with bots, who only speak if they think it isn't fast enough, I cannot enjoy and chill in 5mans whatsoever, as there's zero social aspect and it's a timed race, I expect another crowd in classic, as pvt servers mostly showed to me the old classic mentality still exists, just not on the same players. Granted you probably played on the bigger pvt server and me on ED/K1/K3, so it was probably more impersonal there, since the servercommunity was simply 'too big' , but I think if you can avoid the streamer-realms, you're set for a nice experience.

On guildruns you know what you get but I oftentimes just joined a drunk scholo and had some fun doing a slow-paced 5man. It helps that the truly 'go go go go ' mentality is mostly not there too in 5mans, as the whole game pacing is slower. I don't expect a retail style community as I don't expect them to stick around long enough anyway. I expect the speed-shit to be prevalent in guilds, but in vanilla 5mans are mostly a chill environment to farm and talk a bit, without the fear of having bad raider/dungeonio ranking times.

[Charge me Doctor]

Mind defining "group finder" addons? Because I'm certain you have no idea what a vanilla group finder addon is

It scans chat for people looking for group, then consolidates them into a window, where you can look at them and pick them.. Just like modern LFG, except with extra step oh having to spam chat to get a group

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As dungeons are easy in _any_ case these addons aren't needed and I feel won't be used. Like, every content after vanilla had content that was actually failable, starting in Burning Crusade heroics, where people would actually care which people to get to being able to finish the run properly.

In vanilla though would people really care who comes to their stratUD? LF 1 healer last spot and you're off, I feel the chat channel is already the golden standard for that sort of stuff. Most pugs I see being made on discord signups, in the case of raiding.

Hard part of a dungeon run is getting people together, not actual dungeon.

People just are too lazy to play their classes anywhere near the ceiling no matter how ez

What skill ceiling you are talking about? As long as you use blizzard on top of bunch of reds you are close to skill ceiling already

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If mage fails to aoe on pvt servers he would get talked to and ppl would try to work together to improve, and that always worked in the end, on retail I've seen a single fail or someone asking how something worked lead to a votekick, an unreal difference in attitude.

Never seen that happening (votekicks because someone fails). In fact, last two times i've seen someone utterly failing due to lack of knowledge was back in a EoA mythic+, where a healing shaman couldn't "purge" bomb debuff off others (had to explain that you can't "purge" debuffs off allies, he had to use other spell) and in recent M+ where a DK didn't know how to remove a cursed coin and tried tanking with +50% crit debuffs, so we had to escort him to turn that shit in.

[tikcol]

It scans chat for people looking for group, then consolidates them into a window, where you can look at them and pick them.. Just like modern LFG, except with extra step oh having to spam chat to get a group

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Hard part of a dungeon run is getting people together, not actual dungeon.



What skill ceiling you are talking about? As long as you use blizzard on top of bunch of reds you are close to skill ceiling already

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Never seen that happening (votekicks because someone fails). In fact, last two times i've seen someone utterly failing due to lack of knowledge was back in a EoA mythic+, where a healing shaman couldn't "purge" bomb debuff off others (had to explain that you can't "purge" debuffs off allies, he had to use other spell) and in recent M+ where a DK didn't know how to remove a cursed coin and tried tanking with +50% crit debuffs, so we had to escort him to turn that shit in.

There's nothing automated about that kind of addons. You still have to ask the party leader for an invite and if you're the party leader you can still choose who you invite.

If you ask me if it's "convenient" I would have to say yes but it's so inconsequential that barely nobody ends up using it. I know this because 6+ years of playing in pservers proved this. I installed it once and ended up removing it next time I logged in.

The whisper you send people if you're using the addon is "defined" so it sends the whisper with the name of the addon attached and I barely ever received those whispers when creating groups.

It is an inconsequential addon.

[Charge me Doctor]

There's nothing automated about that kind of addons. You still have to ask the party leader for an invite and if you're the party leader you can still choose who you invite.

If you ask me if it's "convenient" I would have to say yes but it's so inconsequential that barely nobody ends up using it. I know this because 6+ years of playing in pservers proved this. I installed it once and ended up removing it next time I logged in.

The whisper you send people if you're using the addon is "defined" so it sends the whisper with the name of the addon attached and I barely ever received those whispers when creating groups.

It is an inconsequential addon.

Yeah, just like modern LFG.

Oh, it's very consequential, because you have grouplist in one convenient window, instead of watching through spam in chats. You not finding it useful doesn't make it any less useful.

[Xyrax]

I think one exists in some form somewhere. A guy asked about it in chat during the beta and got laughed at and pretty much instantly dog piled which sorta segwayed into people talking about how much retail sucks in the trade chat for the next few minutes.

I dunno, I say god speed to anyone who tries to "force" the community who are universally against it to use this type of thing. People don't want it. They are explicitly playing a 15 year old game to get AWAY from it. Good luck I guess.

[BananaHandsB]

There were some basic group finding addons late in vanilla. They weren't heavily used, but they existed. My assumption is they will exist in classic as well, and likely be much more heavily utilized.

[huth]

No, they would not. Addons work within a sandbox in WoW. Blizzard can deny access to any addon at any time.

That would just get them swamped with thousands of clones. Blocking individual addons is not a feasible solution, which is why Blizzard generally blocks specific parts of the API. And that's exactly the thing that wouldn't do jack to a group finder without shutting down everything.

[Annelie]

That would just get them swamped with thousands of clones. Blocking individual addons is not a feasible solution, which is why Blizzard generally blocks specific parts of the API. And that's exactly the thing that wouldn't do jack to a group finder without shutting down everything.

Blizzard can break the addons like they did in Legion when the heavily used group finder addon made the world impossible to play in as it made all zones lag heavily and created invisible walls where no such should be etc. Even for non addon users. They broke some code the addon was relying on so they stoped working.

[Aggrophobic]

Blizzard can break the addons like they did in Legion when the heavily used group finder addon made the world impossible to play in as it made all zones lag heavily and created invisible walls where no such should be etc. Even for non addon users. They broke some code the addon was relying on so they stoped working.

You clearly did not understand what he said here. But no, they won't be able to remove every form of group finder without impacting the ability to use other addons.