Say you're living in a failed state

[Pillerina]

So why are you still an American citizen if you hate us that much? Why haven't you immigrated?

You're a Bernie guy aren't you?

That reasoning is so fucking dumb it's scary. You don't agree with everything your country does, hence you should gtfo. By that reasoning like 40% of your country would have to migrate every 8 years.

[Dsonsion]

Columbia, Cuba, Nicaragua.

The FARC in Columbia received funding from the Soviets. They just recently disbanded BTW.

The communists in Chile too.

The FARC is also partly the fault of the fucking intervention and advise of the USA, which escalated the situation after the Korean War.

And we still have to thank you (...) for the disgusting Plan Colombia, along with the Plan Lazo, which helped establish the paramilitary groups that turned the countryside into hell for poor people at the wrong places. We don't see the chainsaws as tools for cutting wood anymore thanks to that.

Don't wash your dirty hands on this, you imperialist (...).

[Wyrt]

No body on Earth has the right to dictate that democracy must be implemented, that wouldn't be very democratic, would it. People of venezuela have to organize and rise up themselves if they want a free country, not a puppet government always working for whoever came to rescue them.

The US doesn't usually dictate democracy. They usually overthrow democracy and support dictators and terrorists.

[Ghostpanther]

Mogudishu. We, with the help of the UN, tried to restore order in Somalia. Instead, we got caught in a 20+ hour gun battle in the city, 19 Americans were killed, and about 100X (the official numbers vary, anywhere from 500 to 5000) that died fighting against us.

Rather than solving Somalia's problems, we kicked a hornets nest, made it worse, and then left in shame.

Ahh, yeah now I remember that mess. We need to stay out of other countries civil wars, send humanitarian aid, but not ground troops. We can strike terrorists effectively from the air.

[Pillerina]

By that reasoning, everyone who opposed Obamacare should just leave the US.

Exactly, the fact that people actually use that argument is goddamn depressing.

[Vodenbog]

The biggest problem with implementation was that Serbs were allowed to kill entire towns before someone found the balls to put boots on the ground. And blue-helmeted pussies who watched the fucking genocide take place do not count.

Blue helmets were too busy running prostitution trafficking rigs to ever bother watching out for a genocide or a ethnic cleansing.

Of all the Western nations, Hungary acted with the most moral decency in the war, a fact for which we Croats are thankful to Hungarians. We do have centuries of common history together and from what I read, it was one of the chief factors why Hungarians did not fall to Serbian propaganda but saw through it with ease. You gave us weapons when the weapons embargo was placed on Yugoslavia, therefore giving Croats a chance to defend themselves.

People with little to no knowledge on the war might say what is wrong with the Western nations placing a weapons embargo on Yugoslavia and possibly stopping a war? Two reasons. The first is that Yugoslav army was armed like crazy and the second is by that time Yugoslav army was virtually 99% Serb dominated in demography. Croats, Slovenes, Bosniaks, Albanians and Macedonians all deserted from the Yugoslav army. Thus the weapon embargo was aimed at minorities who were about to be butchered by Serbian armed forces.

[Independent voter]

The FARC is also partly the fault of the fucking intervention and advise of the USA, which escalated the situation after the Korean War.

And we still have to thank you (...) for the disgusting Plan Colombia, along with the Plan Lazo, which helped establish the paramilitary groups that turned the countryside into hell for poor people at the wrong places. We don't see the chainsaws as tools for cutting wood anymore thanks to that.

Don't wash your dirty hands on this, you imperialist (...).

Imperialist? What? Because Guam is a territory? Where is our empire? Puerto Rico will become a state eventually.

What a lot of you leftists are leaving out is the context. The Cold War ran from 1945 to 1989. Anything we did in that time was in reaction to the Soviets.

The communists in Columbia created the FARC. The Soviets gave the FARC training, military aide and money.

Why wouldn't we help the anti-Soviets defeat the pro-Soviets?

[Machismo]

Imperialist? What? Because Guam is a territory? Where is our empire? Puerto Rico will become a state eventually.

What a lot of you leftists are leaving out is the context. The Cold War ran from 1945 to 1989. Anything we did in that time was in reaction to the Soviets.

The communists in Columbia created the FARC. The Soviets gave the FARC training, military aide and money.

Why wouldn't we help the anti-Soviets defeat the pro-Soviets?

You are blaming the Soviets for the United states being imperialistic?

That's a bold move, Cotton.

[Zecora]

By that reasoning, everyone who opposed Obamacare should just leave the US.

But who the fuck would want them? Certainly no country that has actual public healthcare...

[Dsonsion]

The communists in Columbia created the FARC. The Soviets gave the FARC training, military aide and money.

Why wouldn't we help the anti-Soviets defeat the pro-Soviets?

If you refuse to accept your country has been acting like an imperialistic bully you live in an alternative reality.

As funny as it sounds, the communists in Colombia did not create the FARC, the FARC were not even communist in the proper sense when they appeared. But I din't expect you to know that anyway.
Yes, the soviets sent a little bit of help to FARC, but it was not the main sustenance of the movement. Yes, they trained some of the leaders, I will not deny it.
Still, thanks for helping escalate the war and increase the forced displacement of population to unprecedented levels, you great fighters of freedom and democracy.

[Independent voter]

If you refuse to accept your country has been acting like an imperialistic bully you live in an alternative reality.

As funny as it sounds, the communists in Colombia did not create the FARC, the FARC were not even communist in the proper sense when they appeared. But I din't expect you to know that anyway.
Yes, the soviets sent a little bit of help to FARC, but it was not the main sustenance of the movement. Yes, they trained some of the leaders, I will not deny it.
Still, thanks for helping escalate the war and increase the forced displacement of population to unprecedented levels, you great fighters of freedom and democracy.

We were in a struggle versus the Soviets since 1945. The Soviets involved themselves in your country, Columbia, so we involved ourselves. It's how the Cold War was fought.

All we did is the same things the Soviets did, hand out money, training, and equipment.

[Orange Joe]

We were in a struggle versus the Soviets since 1945. The Soviets involved themselves in your country, Columbia, so we involved ourselves. It's how the Cold War was fought.

All we did is the same things the Soviets did, hand out money, training, and equipment.

I like how you have gone from. "We didn't do that" To, "We only did it because Russians made us"

[Dsonsion]

We were in a struggle versus the Soviets since 1945. The Soviets involved themselves in your country, Columbia, so we involved ourselves. It's how the Cold War was fought.

All we did is the same things the Soviets did, hand out money, training, and equipment.

And I hold you responsible for it, because you were the ones that caused the damage. As I would hold the Soviets responsible if they had been. Why do the gri... ,I mean Americans, fucking think they own the hegemonic right over Latin America?

So that you know it, the USA had involved themselves in Latin America way before the Soviets did. Here's a nice short list so you can finally inform yourself and stop excusing the inexcusable:

https://www.english.illinois.edu/map...mperialism.htm

[Independent voter]

And I hold you responsible for it, because you were the ones that caused the damage. As I would hold the Soviets responsible if they had been. Why do the gri... ,I mean Americans, fucking think they own the hegemonic right over Latin America?

So that you know it, the USA had involved themselves in Latin America way before the Soviets did. Here's a nice short list so you can finally inform yourself and stop excusing the inexcusable:

https://www.english.illinois.edu/map...mperialism.htm

You could've remained neutral.

Instead your communists went to the Soviets.

When your anti-communists asked for help against the now well armed FARC, we couldn't refuse.

Neither we, nor the Soviets forced anyone.

[Super Kami Dende]

Then, why do you constantly push national socialism, if you know what the results will be?

I didn't realise Freefolk was a Democrat.


Infracted.

[Dsonsion]

You could've remained neutral.

Instead your communists went to the Soviets.

When your anti-communists asked for help against the now well armed FARC, we couldn't refuse.

Neither we, nor the Soviets forced anyone.

Fuck, you tarried so long to respond, and this is what you come up with?

Have a read. This was before the intervention of the Soviets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marque...blic#Plan_Lazo

In October 1959, the United States sent a "Special Survey Team" composed of counterinsurgency experts to investigate Colombia's internal security situation. Among other policy recommendations the US team advised that "in order to shield the interests of both Colombian and US authorities against 'interventionist' charges any special aid given for internal security was to be sterile and covert in nature." [1] In February 1962, three years after the 1959 "US Special Survey Team", a Fort Bragg top-level U.S. Special Warfare team headed by Special Warfare Center commander General William P. Yarborough, visited Colombia for a second survey.[2]

The new anti-terrorist policy was instituted as Plan Lazo in 1962 and called for both military operations and civic action programs in violent areas. Following Yarborough's recommendations, the Colombian military worked to combat communist terrorism and bandits guided by Liberal and Conservative parties.

I'm curious of how you're gonna twist this one.

[Independent voter]

Fuck, you tarried so long to respond, and this is what you come up with?

Have a read. This was before the intervention of the Soviets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marque...blic#Plan_Lazo




I'm curious of how you're gonna twist this one.

Just say no to the Soviets. Just say no to the Americans.

Not hard at all. Costa Rica has been doing it for years.

[Dsonsion]

Just say no to the Soviets. Just say no to the Americans.

Not hard at all. Costa Rica has been doing it for years.

Costa Rica has America's boot so deep in its arse they had to pierce it another asshole so it wouldn't die.
Nice example

[Machismo]

I didn't realise Freefolk was a Democrat.

He's not, he's a national socialist. You clearly don't know what words mean.

[Hinastorm]

Then, why do you constantly push national socialism, if you know what the results will be?

Stop swallowing Trump/GoP talking points at face value. Think for yourself.

No one is advocating for Venezuela style socialism. Also, Venezuela failed because their economy almost completely relied on oil exports. When the oil price fell, everything fell apart. The US economy is wildly diversified and not susceptible to something similar happening.

Venezuela failed because of that, not because of socialism.

They tell you this to get you to vote against your best interests. They don't care about you, they care about ensuring the rich keep as much money as possible, that's it.

TLDR: Venezuela has absolutely NOTHING to do with what we on the left are trying to achieve. It's a bad faith GoP misdirection, pure and simple.

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This is for sure.

No, it's not. See above.