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    Americans say debate has grown more toxic an ‘heated’ rhetoric could lead to violence



    Large majorities of Americans say the tone and nature of political debate in the United States has become more negative in recent years.

    Majorities of Americans have strong feelings about what is acceptable for elected officials to say in political debate.

    Americans broadly agree that elected officials should avoid using heated language because it could encourage violence.

    Republicans believe that the national climate for political discourse is more hospitable to Democrats than for the GOP.

    Most Americans say there is not consensus in the public on what constitutes racist or sexist language.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...d-to-violence/

    Do you believe that the national climate for political discourse is more hospitable to Democrats than for the GOP?
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    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats, is hurting them more in my opinion. Mainly them attacking the US's fundamental reputation, which some hold to be a good thing for them overall and worthy of support. Not that we have not did some injustices in the past of course. But time will prove if this is true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats, is hurting them more in my opinion. Mainly them attacking the US's fundamental reputation, which some hold to be a good thing for them overall and worthy of support. Not that we have not did some injustices in the past of course. But time will prove if this is true.
    Do you have any evidence to back up your claims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats, is hurting them more in my opinion. Mainly them attacking the US's fundamental reputation, which some hold to be a good thing for them overall and worthy of support. Not that we have not did some injustices in the past of course. But time will prove if this is true.
    Because being run by the Russians and obstructing justice is patriotic. /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats, is hurting them more in my opinion. Mainly them attacking the US's fundamental reputation, which some hold to be a good thing for them overall and worthy of support. Not that we have not did some injustices in the past of course. But time will prove if this is true.
    The only anti-patriotic rhetoric in the American discours I see comes from your president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crispin View Post
    Because being run by the Russians and obstructing justice is patriotic. /s
    Not every American buys into that conspiracy theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muzjhath View Post
    The only anti-patriotic rhetoric in the American discours I see comes from your president.
    You need to watch more than just the news networks which hate Trump. If you do not like Fox, watch BBC. Or even CBS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats, is hurting them more in my opinion. Mainly them attacking the US's fundamental reputation, which some hold to be a good thing for them overall and worthy of support. Not that we have not did some injustices in the past of course. But time will prove if this is true.
    What a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Not every American buys into that conspiracy theory.

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    You need to watch more than just the news networks which hate Trump. If you do not like Fox, watch BBC.
    And yet, you defended racism...

    The entire Trumspter agenda has been about pissing people off. This is as disingenuous as you can get. And no, nobody expects any different from you.

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    Here is a video I thought was interesting and does show, we can be misled by preconceived assumptions. I know it is from Fox News and some will automatically not even watch it. But for those who might be interested in it, here it is anyway. https://www.foxnews.com/media/colleg...n-racist-trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Here is a video I thought was interesting and does show, we can be misled by preconceived assumptions. I know it is from Fox News and some will automatically not even watch it. But for those who might be interested in it, here it is anyway. https://www.foxnews.com/media/colleg...n-racist-trump


    That is eye opening.

    I hope I wasn't that air headed when I was a college student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    You need to watch more than just the news networks which hate Trump. If you do not like Fox, watch BBC. Or even CBS.
    I get most of my news from non american sources. My judgement about the POTUS comes from direct video feeds of the man talking. Who he choses to defend, who he choses to attack, and what his actions tell.
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    As some one who doesn’t follow any real politics or debates is this a side effect of trump? From watching the 2016 stuff he seems s to be the only real toxic one so did he kick this off of we’re there others before him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    It impacts them both. But at the moment, the hatred, anti- patriotic rhetoric of some of the Democrats
    Is a fiction you've invented.

    This is entirely imaginary horseshit. It isn't real. Comments like yours are why discourse is dying, in the USA; you make up slanderous bullshit without any basis in fact or reality, and expect it to be given equal credence with the truth. And then whine that it's "unfair" when other people won't put up with your bad faith.

    And before you come back, complaining that I'm being mean, let's at least have the decency to recognize that I'm confronting malice and disinformation. That deserves contempt and harsh words. Your malicious attack, however, was based on nothing but your own partisan demagoguery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    As some one who doesn’t follow any real politics or debates is this a side effect of trump? From watching the 2016 stuff he seems s to be the only real toxic one so did he kick this off of we’re there others before him?
    Started with Newt Gingrich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostpanther View Post
    Here is a video I thought was interesting and does show, we can be misled by preconceived assumptions. I know it is from Fox News and some will automatically not even watch it. But for those who might be interested in it, here it is anyway. https://www.foxnews.com/media/colleg...n-racist-trump
    Funny thing that one. Democrats don't really talk much about it, while to Republicans, even the President himself, it has become Schrödinger's immigration policy. Somehow, Obama is both used as a gotcha (he deported so many! He built the camps!), while also being famously "weak" on immigration. That's what gets me, as an outsider to the system - I just want politicians to be at least internally consistent in their views, if they can't be bothered to be truthful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Started with Newt Gingrich.
    We could go further back if we want. Trump doesn't just share similarities with Nixon, but he arguably shares more with Nixon's once-VP - Spiro Agnew. The heated rhetoric and slanderous, sensationalist attacks against Democrats playing to a cult of personality? That's Agnew to a T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Funny thing that one. Democrats don't really talk much about it, while to Republicans, even the President himself, it has become Schrödinger's immigration policy. Somehow, Obama is both used as a gotcha (he deported so many! He built the camps!), while also being famously "weak" on immigration. That's what gets me, as an outsider to the system - I just want politicians to be at least internally consistent in their views, if they can't be bothered to be truthful.

    That's politics.

    Trump isn't very good at politics. A good politician would've said the same things only not be so obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Funny thing that one. Democrats don't really talk much about it, while to Republicans, even the President himself, it has become Schrödinger's immigration policy. Somehow, Obama is both used as a gotcha (he deported so many! He built the camps!), while also being famously "weak" on immigration. That's what gets me, as an outsider to the system - I just want politicians to be at least internally consistent in their views, if they can't be bothered to be truthful.
    You'll also generally find that the "gotcha" is that some random Democratic voters are poorly-informed on the issues. What a shock; that's true of any democratic (small-D) electorate, on all political sides.

    Meanwhile, they're trying to shift blame from Republican representatives being two-faced on the issues, or pushing bad policy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bladeXcrasher View Post
    Started with Newt Gingrich.
    Not gonna lie I have no idea who that is.

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    Yep it has. It will get worse becuase those who push the divide don't want it fixed. They like the divide. Justice for their side, pain and humiliation for the other side. Something is bound to break civility and the LA riots will look like a celabration.
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